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Posted 03 January 2008 - 01:29 AM

No lessons on the Holocaust

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Schools are dropping controversial subjects from history lessons - such as the Holocaust and the Crusades - because teachers do not want to cause offence, Government research has discovered.

The way the slave trade is taught can lead white children as well as black pupils to feel alienated, according to a study by the Historical Association.

A lack of knowledge among teachers, particularly in primary schools, is also leading to "shallow" lessons on emotive and difficult subjects.

Some teachers dropped the Holocaust completely from lessons because of fears that Muslim pupils might express anti-semitic reactions. One school avoided teaching the Crusades because its "balanced" handling of the topic would directly contradict what was taught in local mosques. (...)


Who was it that said that those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it? I cannot express my disgust into words at the moment. Just know that I am full of unbelievable rage right now.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 03:07 AM

I doubt a high school is the place to get a "balanced" survey of the Holocaust or the Crusades anyway. Their reasoning is idiotic, of course. But before you get all off the hook with your rage, note that a study discovered this, so it's evidence of local policies, not some state-organized censorship.


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Posted 03 January 2008 - 04:09 AM

One school dropping history is one school too many.
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Posted 06 January 2008 - 01:09 AM

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 04:01 AM

Hear, hear. Raise a glass to the man who brought us Flashman!


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Posted 12 January 2008 - 10:41 PM

I personally see this as something of a step forward, actually. After all, de facto political correctness has dominated culture and education for some time, and in making political correctness the official educational policy they accomplish little more thank making people like you angry at them. I know that all of my teachers, going back as early as preschool, skipped around the controversial issues even on the rare occasions that they were present in the curriculum.

It's easier to fight the spoken rules than the unspoken. With actions like this being taken, more people are likely to recognize the problem than children are likely to be exposed to it. Everyone who is going to be exposed to a politically correct education due to this is more than likely already being exposed. On the other hand, this may push some people over the edge to oppose rampant political correctness.

Just as those teachers who wanted to could skip controversial bits before, so now can teachers who want to add them in.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 10:50 PM

If children are not taught sober history then they will grow up without the ability to be objective.
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 10:56 PM

Oh, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that there are precious few teachers with the ability to be objective, and this rule won't stop them.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:30 PM

I went through the public school system and I don't remember a unit in history covering the grim details of the Holocaust. We alo learned fuck all about the Crusades. I learned about those things anyway, and in some detail. I know schools should be better, but we should stop[ assuming that children will learn everything they know in them.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:53 PM

I think it really depends on the teacher. I had a whole class dedicated to the Holocaust in high school, and we watched footage from the camps and everything. I know a lot of classes don't cover how horrible the US was to Japanese-Americans, but we did. That same teacher taught my high school US History class and we learned about everything, as plainly as he could make it - from Jackson's massacre and relocation of the Indians, to our part in the Civil War, to the icky Vietnam War.
My World History teacher had a hard time fitting the history of the entire world into a year-long class that only lasted 49 minutes a day, but we brushed on the Crusades and other not so keen parts.
On the other hand, my middle school US History teacher taught us all about how the South was right, the Civil War was in *no* way about slavery (it was completely about states' rights, and slavery just happened to be one of those things), the North was horrible in every way and the South was just a poor little victim of circumstance, and that we've been living under the thumb of the Yankees every since.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 01:59 PM

In my view political correctness is just as pointless and socially harmful as racisim. While I learnt most of my history outside of school it still frustrates me to read that schools are sidestepping their responcibility to teach out of some fucking misguided notion of "political correctness".
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 09:14 PM

Political correctness is just another way to put down political and social dissent. I am completely against it… unless of course that political correctness serves my purposes and political agendas but currently it doesn’t so I am totally against it.

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On the other hand, my middle school US History teacher taught us all about how the South was right, the Civil War was in *no* way about slavery (it was completely about states' rights, and slavery just happened to be one of those things), the North was horrible in every way and the South was just a poor little victim of circumstance, and that we've been living under the thumb of the Yankees every since.


At least he was objective.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 09:25 PM

...Right. Somebody get this boy a dictionary and a proper history book, please?
(And it was a she, and she also taught us how to make pipe bombs with your every day household objects.)

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 09:27 PM

I wish she was one of my teachers. She seems like a true patriot.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 11:34 PM

You're really just not good at sarcasm, sir. You need to give it a rest and practice somewhere else for a while.
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