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Posted 01 October 2007 - 02:15 PM

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What if you are from the United States and you are White? Ethnically, it's very likely you are "European," not "North American." I think that's what the incomplete, out-of-context citation was meant to have said.

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I am beginning to realize, just based upon this topic, that this can be a never ending debate.

You have ethnicity and place of origin,.which for the most part, seem to go hand-in-hand when referring to someone.,.most of the time it holds true, but not always, and not under every circumstance.

what you have to look at, is, quite essentially the initial core roots of humanity,.thats right.,..Adam & Eve.

Adam & Eve, who were the first to touch the new earth God had made. We know it was called the Garden of Eden, but many scholars still argue about where the present day Garden of Eden was.

It is believed that, at one point in history, all humans were of the same race, same language, etc. until the events that transpired at the Tower of Babel in biblical times.

God saw that the tower of babel was not good, and ceased its completion by altering everyone's language. Its believed that since God mixed around languages, that he simoultaneously had also created different tones of skin at that same instance...so if this was the case,..this was the birth of Black People, Orientals, Arabics, etc.

and since many people couldnt no longer communicate, its theorized that those few that could bond together,.did so,. and treked off in seperate ways. The Orientals headed east, the blacks headed into africa, etc.

as far as the debate whether Egyptians are black or not, you have to take into calculation the age of King Tuts mummy,.which is determined to be 3,300 yrs old. This was before Jesus Christ came into the world, and being that this is the case, most of the world remained largely unhabited.

While there is no substantial evidence indicating what race Jesus, Moses, or other biblical characters were. From the Bible, we do get accounts of certain geographical areas that many events took place in,.such as Egypt, Israel, Jordan,etc. It is my belief that many of the people who reside in these places today, look much like there ancestors did in biblical times...not exactly like the way they looked,..but for the most part.

I believe the historical counterparts had indeed darker skin, and were much stronger,.due to them having to consistently exert heavy demands on the bodies due to required heavy labor,.lifting large stones, buildling what needed to be built..hunting or fishing for food..,.and just the general heat from the desert sun.

but this is not to state that egyptians were negro, nor do i believe that they were arabic either. but some sort of unknown peoples that no longer exist in our time.

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Posted 01 October 2007 - 02:34 PM

Um... First of all, mireaux, your entire argument is based upon religious beliefs and speculation. Adam and Eve? Yeah, what about the people that don't believe that to be the origin of the human race? (Even many Christians believe the story of Adam and Eve to be allegorical or metaphorical.) Tower of Babel? Believed by most to be a Judaic equivalent to, say, Greek myths that explain why the world works the way it does. The sun rises and sets because Helios drives it across the sky in his flying chariot; there are many peoples and languages because of the events in that particular Bible story. To state such stories as fact is truly fallacious.

Secondly, why is the colour of one's skin suddenly their "race?" "Black" is not a race. "American" isn't even really a race, since we're just a huge "melting pot" or whatever PC buzzword. This is what I learned in Science Class (capitalized for Sarcastic Emphasis): Skin colour is just what colour your skin is due to the amount of melanin in it. People that had more contact with the sun evolved to produce more melanin than people who had less contact due to climate, location on the globe, etc. Also, skin colour is affected by how much it does come into contact with the sun (or tanning beds), making peachy-coloured people tan (or red) and brown people darker brown etc. Bill Nye the Science Guy explained it quite nicely when he said that every person is a shade of brown, just different values and slightly different hues. (Some people that haven't studied colour theory might disagree and say that white people skin is certainly not a shade of brown, but to those people I say, take a freakin' art class.) So why this sudden application of a "race" to people with similar skin tones? Why should Egyptians, who were born and lived in African, not be Africans, just because they weren't as brown as some other Africans?

And why does it matter? Were the Egyptians the colour of mahogany? Maybe it was more like coffee with milk. Honestly, I don't care if they were blue. What difference does it really make? I never have understood what the big deal about skin colour was, or why people divide themselves because of it. You're from where you're from, your family is from where they're from, and you're the colour you were born with (until you start changing it).
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 03:16 PM

Well I'm white and Irish, and I'd hate to be mistaken for Italian.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 03:45 PM

You all keep saying it doesn't matter, yet it does matter. Everything about a person matters. Race, height, sex, habits, clothing, hygene.. It all matters to people, none of it is irrelevant.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 04:11 PM

I didn't say it doesn't matter. I definitely know it matters to other people. I just never understood why. It doesn't matter to me. I'm a huge mutt but my background is probably mostly Irish, but I don't care if someone thinks I'm Italian or French or Scottish or black or whatever. However, that's still different than what I was talking about. Why does it matter what colour people are? Colour doesn't determine anything about a person other than, well, their colour. So I've never understood the obsession behind it.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 04:39 PM

It does a lot of the time in my experience. Colour does determine a lot about a person. For instance, it determines how they are seen by others, which in turn changes the person.

The idea of ignoring colour or not seen it as a factor is naive. Colour can determine what you can or can't say in public, wether you'll be accepted in a community or not, determine if you can get a job, etc...

Skin colour does effect you. It's not 'just a colour'. Dark east indians are considered unattractive in India, did you know that? They are considered lower caste just for being really dark. They sell creams that claim to lighten your skin. All the bollywood actors/actresses are light.

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Skin lighenting is also huge in Korea, Japan, and China.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 05:38 PM

Yes, I do know about the skin lightening thing and I think it's very sad. It's not limited to those countries, either. Many black girls think they should stay lighter. And white people think for some reason we should all be real dark, and so give themselves huge risk of skin cancer to darken it. Funny how white people's racism is based on being lighter than everyone else, and yet the fashion is to be so dark.

And you're kind of missing my point. Yes, colour affects you because of people's current perspective of it. But if that stigma weren't already there, it wouldn't have any effect on anything. It's circular logic, almost. If people didn't care, it wouldn't matter. But people do care, so it does matter. Pretend that skin colour is and always has been just as insignificant as something like eye colour or nostril shape or how many hairs you have on your head. Extreme differences would probably still be ostracized - like an Albino, or someone with blue skin or something. But aside from that, since what skin colour you have or what shape your nostrils are in no way contributes to your personality, intelligence, skill set, abilities, or anything else other than the way you look. So I don't get why it matters or ever mattered except that people are stupid and mean. I wish people could get past that bit of human nature, but it's like it just can't go away. We get real close - at least we finally don't have a whole lot of slavery anymore - but we just can't seem to get past a certain point.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 07:06 PM

Well we're getting off the main topic, which I thought was that Egyptians were African by Nationality and Middle Eastern by Etnicity.

If you say that because you're 5th-generation American that makes you Ethnically "American," then you're just participating in an argument that you'd probably rather avoid, that argument being that Native Americans no longer can claim an Ethnicity, that they're just Americans along with all the Blacks and the other immigrants, including about 300 million White Europeans.

Race is always going to matter. It's how much it matters that we should try working on. Trying to pretend that it doesn't matter, getting excited when people tell you that it does, is likely to make for some heated conversations. But none of those conversations is going to erase the fact that race matters.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 07:22 PM

Again, I'm not talking about race. Colour. Colour. Is what I'm talking about. Should not matter. Colour and race do not go hand in hand. In fact, some people can be a completely different colour within the same race. OR, some people can be the same colour and are from completely different races. I'm not saying race doesn't matter. Or shouldn't matter. (Though I don't think it should be a big deal if someone calls someone Scottish that may have had a great-great-great-great-great grandfather who was Irish.)

Therefore, I do not think it should be a big deal what colour the Egyptians were, but yes, I realize that it DOES matter to some people even though I wish the world didn't work that way. Do I make sense in the way I want to yet? pinch.gif
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 10:47 PM

But colour in this issue does mark the major difference between Nubians and Eyptians.

The images can only tell you the sex and colour of the boy king. If he's black then he's of Nubian ethnicity, if carmel colour, then he's of Egyptian background.

So colour basically tells you which race the boy king was.

Blacks will be angry over this and Egyptians will be happy. One will gain 'historic cultural' bragging rights and the other will lose them.

And the colour of the egyptians is important, to them if nothing else. They're an old and proud culture. The way they look is just as important as the music, food, arts, and sciences they discovered. It's what differentiates them from everyone else.

People tend to latch on to things that make them distinct.

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 03:41 PM

Spoon: I know what you mean. I have the whitest, most US American Puerto Rican I've ever met for a roommate, unless he doesn't shave and spends some time in the sun, or you hear him speak Spangish on the phone with someone.

It's really sad that race and color matter for more than general description. It doesn't matter to me what color, race, ethnicity, nationality, or whatever someone is. A person's culture can give you a vague idea of how the person might react to certain situations, but other than that, *shrug* Maybe it's because I'm just a generic white guy of non-descript European descent (I'm Polish, Irish, Italian, Welsh, English, and some others, probably), from parents of obviously the same ethnic background, but I've never felt any urge or inspiration to support one ethnic group over another, whether it's ancient royalty or a sports team or what have you.

Above all, this whole thing is rather absurd. Black activists are complaining because a dead "boy king" isn't being portrayed with a dark enough skin color? He's not black enough. A person from northern Africa. And there are allegations that this was deliberate, which apparently caused this uproar. He's been dead for over two thousand years. Why couldn't they just pick some color in the middle to keep everybody happy, since having people not care where he was from was out of the question? Whether the allegations are true or not, it's retarded.

And Egyptians are African. Nubians are African. If you're from Africa, you're African. It's as simple as that, and it's purely a classification issue. Yes, people get lazy and try to refer to all of the black Africans as Africans and everyone else from Africa as something else, but that's just another big silly mess.
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 04:07 PM

All Africans are African? Ok, so Indians are Asian, is that right? What about the folks in Afghanistan?
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 04:31 PM

What, only the Chinese and Japanese get to be Asian? Do they have some sort of Monopoly over the continent? Maybe it's just the word.

People have given the words "African" and "Asian" the wrong definition sometimes, and so understand Asian to only mean Chinese and Japanese, and African to only mean people with chocolate-thru-ebony skin. But just because people are ignorant doesn't make all the other people that were born in, live in, etc in Asia notAsian. White people that were born in, lived in, raised in, have background in, whatever in Africa are Africans. If they choose to identify themselves as something else over the word "African," that's fine with me, but it doesn't change the fact that they are from the continent of Africa. Egypt was an African society, because it originated in Africa.
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 05:31 PM

So Basically you're saying you think it's stupid that this is an issue because Nubian and Egyptian cultures are all 'african' in the end? And as long as the ruler was African then all of them should be satisfied?

Africa is not a unified continent. White's are not Africans, they're South Africans, that 'south' makes all the difference. Nobody will ever call an Egyptian a "north african" or even an "african". They will call them Egyptian. North African may be used to describe a group of people, some from Tunisia and Egypt, but if they're all Egyptian, then nobody is going to refer to them as africans.
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 06:02 PM

They're of Arabic descent, I would think, anyway, so they'd most likely consider themselves more a part of the Arab world than the African continent. unsure.gif

As for my descent: I'm American, but 100% of Quebecois descent on both sides. wink.gif
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