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Posted 26 September 2007 - 11:36 PM

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Tutankhamun was not black: Egypt antiquities chief
Tue Sep 25, 12:18 PM ET


CAIRO (AFP) - Egyptian antiquities supremo Zahi Hawass insisted Tuesday that Tutankhamun was not black despite calls by US black activists to recognise the boy king's dark skin colour.

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"Tutankhamun was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilisation as black has no element of truth to it," Hawass told reporters.

"Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa," he said, quoted by the official MENA news agency.

Hawass said he was responding to several demonstrations in Philadelphia after a lecture he gave there on September 6 where he defended his theory.

Protestors also claimed images of King Tut were altered to show him with lighter skin at the "Tutankhamun and the Golden Age of the Pharaohs" exhibit which leaves Philadelphia for London on September 30.

The exhibition sparked an uproar when it kicked off in Los Angeles in June 2005 when black activists demanded that a bust of the boy king be removed because the statue portrays him as white.

The face of the legendary pharaoh, who died around 3,300 years ago at the age of just 19, was reconstructed in 2005 through images collected through CAT scans of his mummy.

The boy king's intact tomb caused an international sensation when it was discovered by Briton Howard Carter in 1922 near Luxor in southern Egypt.


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By the same token this is why I think the term 'African American' is nothing short of retarded.
And I'm sure most Egyptians, Libians, and Morrocans agree.

Seriously, what's with the education system over there?

The one thing that really bothered me (on top of the first) is this:
"Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa,"

The defence is just as retarded as the accusation.

Egyptians are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa in the same way Indians are not Asians despite India being in Asia. "African" does not mean "black".

Political correctness is making retards out of educated people.

If you are from a country in Asia, you are Asian. If you are from a country in Africa, you are African. If you are from a caountry in Europe, you are European.

Damn retards everywhere.
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:07 AM

What if you are from the United States and you are White? Ethnically, it's very likely you are "European," not "North American." I think that's what the incomplete, out-of-context citation was meant to have said.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:14 AM

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What if you are from the United States and you are White? Ethnically, it's very likely you are "European," not "North American." I think that's what the incomplete, out-of-context citation was meant to have said.


Wouldn't that make you a white American? If you're like German or something, you have open preference to alternativley refer to yourself as such. but if you were raised in north america by people who were rasied in north america, your north american.

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Not that I don't enjoy a good heartfelt Barend rant from time to time.


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Posted 27 September 2007 - 01:10 AM

.. I think ultimatley if you live in a multicultural country like the US or Australia, you just call yourself an American or Australian, and be comfortable enough with who you are as an individual to not waste everyone's time describing your own apearence to everyone you meet.

I'm not white or black, but I don't go around calling myself a Eurasian-Dutch-Indian-Australian.

I call myself Captain Awsome from planet motherfucker, but that's besides the point.
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 03:34 AM

Yeah that's fine, but these ethnic classification are culturally ingrained.

I have a friend who was born in Calgary. She grew up there, and as an adult came ot BC to finish her degree and go into education. She speaks a few languages, including French, Cantonese, some Dutch and German. She moved to Germany where she teaches English. When people ask her where she's from, naturally she says Canada. But you see, because of the colour of her skin, they folllow up with "I mean where are you from originally?"

She'd agree with you that she shouldn't be called Chinese-Canadian. Maybe you're right, but I don't think we're there yet. I agree that African-American is just PC terminology, but even 4th-generation folks don't mind being called "Italian American." Ethnicity is used as much in categorising people on first sight as gender is.

I guess I don't really know what I think of it. All I'm saying is there isn't anything wrong with saying that the Classical Egyptians didn't originate in Africa, and that they weren't Africans, if that's the case. I'd honestly never heard that before, and the article did a piss-poor job of explaining whether that was even its point. Too bad because I'd have been interested in that.
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 04:00 AM

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By the same token this is why I think the term 'African American' is nothing short of retarded.
And I'm sure most Egyptians, Libians, and Morrocans agree.
Seriously, what's with the education system over there?
The one thing that really bothered me (on top of the first) is this:
"Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa,"
The defence is just as retarded as the accusation.
Egyptians are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa in the same way Indians are not Asians despite India being in Asia. "African" does not mean "black".
Political correctness is making retards out of educated people.
If you are from a country in Asia, you are Asian. If you are from a country in Africa, you are African. If you are from a caountry in Europe, you are European.
Damn retards everywhere.


I wonder what you call people who were born in international waters.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Sep 26 2007, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What if you are from the United States and you are White? Ethnically, it's very likely you are "European," not "North American." I think that's what the incomplete, out-of-context citation was meant to have said.


The colour of a persons skin does not determine what ethnicity they are.
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:46 PM

"Ethnically, it's VERY LIKELY that you are European."

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 08:55 PM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Sep 27 2007, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah that's fine, but these ethnic classification are culturally ingrained.


Well, it's high time we degrained it.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Sep 27 2007, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a friend who was born in Calgary. She grew up there, and as an adult came ot BC to finish her degree and go into education. She speaks a few languages, including French, Cantonese, some Dutch and German. She moved to Germany where she teaches English. When people ask her where she's from, naturally she says Canada. But you see, because of the colour of her skin, they folllow up with "I mean where are you from originally?"


That follow up question has never bothered me. In Australia we call it 'small talk', but I get the impression that people in the US call it 'racism'

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QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Sep 27 2007, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She'd agree with you that she shouldn't be called Chinese-Canadian. Maybe you're right, but I don't think we're there yet. I agree that African-American is just PC terminology, but even 4th-generation folks don't mind being called "Italian American." Ethnicity is used as much in categorising people on first sight as gender is.


THere all just americans.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Sep 27 2007, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess I don't really know what I think of it. All I'm saying is there isn't anything wrong with saying that the Classical Egyptians didn't originate in Africa, and that they weren't Africans, if that's the case. I'd honestly never heard that before, and the article did a piss-poor job of explaining whether that was even its point. Too bad because I'd have been interested in that.


It doesn't matter where they originated from. They were in africa when they got their shit together and built an empire. and well established by king deadface over there, so the dude's afican.

I'm guessing then that no one referes to George Washington as American.
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Posted 28 September 2007 - 12:38 AM

If the guy was born in Africa then he is African.
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Posted 28 September 2007 - 02:08 AM

What about Cleopatra then? She was born in Egypt and ruled the place. Was she Egyptian or Greek?


You may be mistaking Ethnicity with Nationality.
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 11:34 PM

That's what I was going to say. Clepatra was ethnically greek but regarded as an Egyptian. SHe had a big greek nose, like the ptolemies or whatever.

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THere all just americans.


I use to think like you, then I just stopped. People don't want to be 'just american'. Especially blacks. No black man will say he feels equal to a white man in the US and vice versa. White Americans are different from black ones. Even politically they are divided. They're not the same people. Ethnicity often trumps nationality. Just ask any Italian who he went for in the last world cup, i'll buy you a new prosche if he says "USA". No Italian, no matter how many generations his line has lived in the US, will ever support team USA. He will support Italia.

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Posted 01 October 2007 - 05:57 AM

You know, I always thought the Classical Egyptians were of some sort of undefined, bronze-skinned ethnicity...

...but, then again, that's what I get for looking at the pictures when reading the history books. wink.gif
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 06:13 AM

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I have a friend who was born in Calgary. She grew up there, and as an adult came ot BC to finish her degree and go into education. She speaks a few languages, including French, Cantonese, some Dutch and German. She moved to Germany where she teaches English. When people ask her where she's from, naturally she says Canada. But you see, because of the colour of her skin, they folllow up with "I mean where are you from originally?"

I was always taught as a child that to ask somebody where they were from because they had an oriental or dark complexion was the height of rudeness. Unless they had an accent or something, you assumed they were Australian. It's fine to ask what somebody's family came from though. It's all about how you word the question.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 01:10 PM

Yerah well that's one thing that's wrong with our culture, that we consider it the height of rudeness to ask someone about his or her ethnicity. Sure, it's how you word it, and whether you're actually a racist will play a key role, but honestly. On its own, how insulting could it be for someone to say "where are your people from?"
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 01:25 PM

Exactly, it shouldn't be rude but it is.

Here is an article on mixed race people and how they get annoyed when people ask them what they are

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...mixedblessings/

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