Cobnat- Cite examples of Dr. Guevara's so-called attrocities against civilians. You're working off of assumptions with no evidence. Che and His Excellency had a higher moral code than the US did or does.
No evidence? The testimony of those who escaped Cuban prisons is not enough for you?
Slade et al: The only example they've come up with is that Guevara ran the prisons where former regime criminals were executed. I pointed out that these executions occured after a trial and that none of the criminals were tortured.
Trail? You honestly believe that a communist trail could be fair? HA! That’s like saying Saddam was executed for his war crimes.
For another example, forces under Raul Castro took about 40 Americans prisoner as hostages. At the time the US was selling bombs and bullets to Batista to use on the rebels and the civilians who harbored them. Naturally some of the rebels were very much in favor of threatening harm to these people unless the US government stopped assaulting Cuba's liberty. His Excellency ordered instead that they be well treated and eventually had them released.
This is what I don’t get: You call Castro ‘His Excellency’ and yet you have told me that he is a former puppet of the Soviet Union. How can you respect a man that is a puppet to a country that you hate?
This assumption that war must involve attrocities is made from an imperialist view point and assumes that those making war have no regard for the countries they assault or their enemies. But I'm not saying that every war involving the US will involve attrocities. Just the vast majority of them. As for Cuba I have heard no tales of His Excellency or Dr. Guevara allowing torture or massacring civilians or indefinately detaining people without charge. The fact that Americans continually slam His Excellency for human rights abuse is hypocritical and only seeks to tear down a man who has worked for the better part of a century to lift his people and free them from the chains of American slavery.
Alright. Lets put aside the vast amount of witness testimonies for a moment concerning the crimes of Castro and Guevara. Under Castro hundreds of thousands of Cubans fled to Florida. Would they have fled if Castro’s reign was nice and pleasant? Hardly. Anyone who protests in Castro’s Cuba is beat-up by police and sent to overcrowded prisons without a trail.
(I moved this here so we wouldn’t have to argue in two threads about the same thing.)
Did people say "Oh look Che Guevara... Well guess it's time to overthrow the government" no.
But he did provide ideas on how to overthrow governments in his treatise on guerilla warfare, and he provided an example of devotion to the revolutionary ideal. I definately think he inspired people.
Pre…fookin…cisely. My argument has been that he inspired nothing because people will revolt if they need to revolt. Not because some guy leads a group of men into the forest and decides to take on the government of whatever country they are in. You cannot create a revolution out of nothing.
If you're against his ideals it's fairly obvious that you'd fail to see that.
Not really. I am against the imperialists and their whores but that doesn’t mean I am going to suddenly become stupid and join the communists simply because they also are against the imperialists.
You see, I don't know if you're aware of this, but in order to take advantage of someone you have to gain something by it. Dr. Guevara just got a lot of wounds, the deaths of many of his friends, and eventual martyrdom. So I'm sure you'll say "HE IS TEH BAD MAN CUZ HE GOTTED HIZ FRIENDS KILLED OMG!" but,
Hell no. Guevara’s ‘friends’ wanted to fight so as far as I am concerned it is their fault if they got killed. I am sure you would agree with me.
That's very rude. I'm sure if a former soldier were here on these boards, he or she would verbally pummel you right now.
You’re kidding right? There is no draft in the United States so those soldiers made a choice when they joined the army.
This post has been edited by Cobnat: 07 September 2007 - 06:15 PM