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Posted 30 July 2007 - 11:40 AM

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FORT WORTH, Texas - Fed up with deadly drive-by shootings, incessant drug dealing and graffiti, cities nationwide are trying a different tactic to combat gangs: They're suing them.

Fort Worth and San Francisco are among the latest to file lawsuits against gang members, asking courts for injunctions barring them from hanging out together on street corners, in cars or anywhere else in certain areas.

The injunctions are aimed at disrupting gang activity before it can escalate. They also give police legal reasons to stop and question gang members, who often are found with drugs or weapons, authorities said. In some cases, they don't allow gang members to even talk to people passing in cars or to carry spray paint.

"It is another tool," said Kevin Rousseau, a Tarrant County assistant prosecutor in Fort Worth, which recently filed its first civil injunction against a gang. "This is more of a proactive approach."

But critics say such lawsuits go too far, limiting otherwise lawful activities and unfairly targeting minority youth.

"If you're barring people from talking in the streets, it's difficult to tell if they're gang members or if they're people discussing issues," said Peter Bibring, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California. "And it's all the more troubling because it doesn't seem to be effective."

Civil injunctions were first filed against gang members in the 1980s in the Los Angeles area, a breeding ground for gangs including some of the country's most notorious, such as the Crips and 18th Street.

The Los Angeles city attorney's suit in 1987 against the Playboy Gangster Crips covered the entire city but was scaled back after a judge deemed it too broad.

Chicago tried to target gangs by enacting an anti-loitering ordinance in 1992 but the U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 1999, saying it gave police the authority to arrest without cause.

Since then, cities have used injunctions to target specific gangs or gang members, and so far that strategy has withstood court challenges.

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Edit: Fixed this because it was too long and in poor format.

Edit 2: Hopefully better indicated the fact that the full article isn't quoted here.
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 11:45 AM

I don't know what to say. That which does not kill them makes them stronger, I guess... unsure.gif
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 12:00 PM

Sounds to me like "We are going to sue you for social events that are not in are taste by taking away your rights because you might commit a crime like the majority out there."

Are there a curfews for companies that escalate on profiteering by exploiting the rights of the people in third world countries

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 01:37 PM

Joke:
Court: Hey whats for barbeque?
These gangbangers from Gunja St.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 01:40 PM

Again, I ask you to submit news articles to the News Desk people. Please don't just arbitrarily post an entire news article here, and at least put a little comment by yourself at the bottom.

As far as this discussion goes, legislation banning activities that gangs might be involved with is absurd, a violation of our rights as citizens, and does almost nothing to stop these activities. The solution to solving gang violence is to take people out of those conditions that push them to commit crimes. Better schooling, better wages, etc. Not just arresting people who congregate on street corners.
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 02:07 PM

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Last summer, Wichita Falls sued 15 members of the Varrio Carnales gang after escalating violence with a rival gang, including about 50 drive-by shootings in less than a year in that North Texas city of 100,000.

Since then, crime has dropped about 13 percent in the safety zone and real estate values are climbing, Hegglund said.


If it gets illegally gun-toting scum off the streets, it's good.

Far as I see it, killing someone deprives them of a lot of rights. I don't see why we should grant the same rights to criminals we give to taxpaying, socially beneficial citizens.
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Deepsycher @ Jul 30 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds to me like "We are going to sue you for social events that are not in are taste by taking away your rights because you might commit a crime like the majority out there."

Are there a curfews for companies that escalate on profiteering by exploiting the rights of the people in third world countries


i wouldnt call killing police officers a social event, not even by radical standards.
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 04:42 PM

I mean before police officers get hurt in situations where no violence is involved unless the suspects where involved in crime before.
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 04:44 PM

QUOTE (Cyzyk @ Jul 30 2007, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it gets illegally gun-toting scum off the streets, it's good.

Far as I see it, killing someone deprives them of a lot of rights. I don't see why we should grant the same rights to criminals we give to taxpaying, socially beneficial citizens.


There's a lot in the U.S. Constitution about that. You should check it out.

I'm all for laws that hinder primarily criminals (ideally only criminals), it's just that in many of these places it seems that they go too far with their laws, or at least the courts think so.

Oh, and there's a bit more to the article than what's presented here. I should fix that so that it's clearer.
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 04:50 PM

Most criminals on the street are the scum of the Earth. angry.gif
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 05:07 PM

In my place they tend to be across the road.

I think of some of them as gumbangers because they stick bubblegum everywhere in the least expected places where I put my fingers. They spit at people behind when they are not given money. Not all their fault as it might have been their upbringing.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 05:11 PM

They'll all be chavs, am I right? angry.gif
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 05:24 PM

I had to look up the word as I don't remember hearing it before.

I class them as "Working class behaviour" in connection to a common family upbringing which included violence and swearing and humiliation.

Chav

Constantly hurtful and vulgar

Constantly harmed and violent

From wikipedia I got the last two exact:

Council housed and violent

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 06:00 PM

I thought you were a fellow Briton. Chavs are like those wannabe gangstas who go around harrassing people. A bad lot, they are... angry.gif
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Posted 30 July 2007 - 06:16 PM

Nope I am of another culture. There are bad people everywhere I go in many kinds of forms.

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