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Posted 01 August 2007 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (jariten @ Aug 2 2007, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Link please.


Link here:
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Posted 01 August 2007 - 09:57 PM

You know, for once, Lucas was right. ohmy.gif
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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:25 AM

QUOTE (Toru-chan @ Aug 1 2007, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


That link has nothing to do with Lucas making comments about Spiderman.

Again, link please, assuming that Lucas even said this in the first place, that shouldn't be too difficult.
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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:38 AM

It includes the back half of the quote on Spider-Man 3 in the article. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:52 AM

oops, my fault, sorry.
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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:54 AM

Hey, no problem. happy.gif
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Posted 23 August 2007 - 10:26 AM

I hate the Spiderman films, always have. But then, I'm no Marvel fan. I like the X-Men movies, and that's it.

Matter of taste I suppose.
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Posted 27 November 2008 - 10:39 AM

I liked Spiderman, as a superhero, when i was young. Then i saw Spiderman 1 and 2. Thankfully this was in dvd. I rent spiderman 3 but never saw it till the end. Please don't tell me how it ends, i won't bear it, i might die.
BUT i won't accept GEORGE LUCAS to make a critisism to ANY movie, no matter how bad. I'll die before accepting that. Propably by watching spiderman 3 or a marathon of the prequels.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 09:30 PM

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I hate the Spiderman films, always have. But then, I'm no Marvel fan. I like the X-Men movies, and that's it.

Matter of taste I suppose.


I absolutely hate the X-Men movies, they are boring, long and dull. I personally place X-Men as the comic equivalent of Star Trek, which coincidentally brings out the same type of emotions in me.

One thing I can never understand is people who loved the first two Spiderman movies, and hated the third...I don't see much of a difference between any of them. Granted Spiderman 2 was probably the best of the three, but I really liked Spiderman 3, especially the ending. When Spiderman tells the Sandman he forgives him, I'm sorry but that's a powerful moment, and a strong moral message to boot...either way I just don't see any real difference when I watch Spiderman 2 & 3 back-to-back...they're the same type of movie...

As far as what G.L. had to say, well, just watch one of the prequels and that will speak for itself...

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 03:22 AM

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I think the objection to Spiderman 3 is that it is such a soap opera. Peter finally gets Mary Jane, so now Hobgoblin 2 has to hate him and they fight. The Venom suit takes over Peter, but not for any practical narrative purpose other than to motivate Peter's infidelity with Gwen Stacey and to injure Hobgoblin and to set up the martyrdom at the end. Then we have to endure the retconning of Sandman into the first movie so that he can be introduced as more than just another villain. There is a good basic structure to the film, and frankly all of the soap opera stuff makes it more like a superhero comic than any other comic book movie ever made, but the real problem is that it doesn't cover any new ground.

Honestly I don't know how these comic book characters enjoy such longevity when they keep retelling all the same stories.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 09:46 AM

I still think the main problem is cramming too many elements into one movie. The Venom story, to be done properly, should have been its own movie. Sandman? Well, I don't think he merits a movie ever. Unless, you know, they make more than thirty or forty Spidey movies in which case they'd have to get to him eventually.

The first film stuck close enough to the plot of comics without too many deviations. The only differences they threw in were just to ease the narrative (e.g. Mary Jane = Gwen Stacy, No web-shooters, etc.) and seemed like fine compromises.

Venom could be a really great character, but cramming him and the suit all into a 1/4 corner of this movie did a disservice to that whole story arc in the comics (which spanned years).

I thought 1 was good, 2 was okay and 3 was bad. I'm not looking forward to 4.
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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:14 PM

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I still think the main problem is cramming too many elements into one movie. The Venom story, to be done properly, should have been its own movie. Sandman? Well, I don't think he merits a movie ever. Unless, you know, they make more than thirty or forty Spidey movies in which case they'd have to get to him eventually.

The first film stuck close enough to the plot of comics without too many deviations. The only differences they threw in were just to ease the narrative (e.g. Mary Jane = Gwen Stacy, No web-shooters, etc.) and seemed like fine compromises


I certainly can't argue with the deviations from the comics standpoint...it just doesn't bother me much because I still think they did a good job with the story. This isn't like SW where one set of movies were incredibly inconsistent with another set of movies, this is a set of deviations between the comics and movies...that I won't complain about. While I can understand why some hardcore marvel fans won't like it, I don't think that makes it a bad movie...and that seems like most people's problem with it.

As far as the whole Venom/Sandman too many elements argument, I can see that argument as well, I just don't think that makes Spiderman 3 a bad movie. I thought they did a good job of incorporating both characters well into the movie, and I don't really think it took away from the movie. Could it have been a better movie if they had chosen one character and went with him? Probably, I can't argue with that assessment. I still think they did a good job with the route they took though.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:37 PM

I liked 1 and 2 more or less, but my problem with 2 was that the hero/villain story was the same. Respected elder, surrogate father figure to Peter happens to be the villain. Add to that the romnce plot was identical, and I felt like I was watching the same movie.
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Posted 23 January 2009 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ Jan 23 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still think the main problem is cramming too many elements into one movie. The Venom story, to be done properly, should have been its own movie.

Venom could be a really great character, but cramming him and the suit all into a 1/4 corner of this movie did a disservice to that whole story arc in the comics (which spanned years).


I have to agree with you on Venom here. They messed up just about any chance of giving him his own film because of the blatant comic to film cut-ups.

Venom is a great character and I think just saying his name for a new Spidey movie is going to have a number of people flock to it. Venom was used as a marketing ploy in S-man 3.

I feel the same goes for Wolverine in the 3rd X-men film as well. If Wolverine wasn't in it, do you really think people would go see it in such large numbers?
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Posted 24 January 2009 - 12:09 AM

You're right. If Wolverine were not in the new "Wolverine" movie, I would not go to it.

I agree that Venom would have been worth a whole movie (though I'd have cast someone other than Topher). The writers of SPIDERMAN 3 apparently disagreed and decided to have multiple villains and alove story instead. But I don't agree that using a villain who might have made a good character was necessarily a bad idea. In fact I think that's a pretty good idea. They just needed the attention span to write a single storyline.
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