[Slade]

More like general American Propaganda Myth concerning Mr. Washington, probably. Nah. I actually don't know enough about it to make claims concerning George either way, except he was six foot eight and weighed a fucking ton.

I know not a leader that would fit that description, though I agree with it.

[Bond]

Any more leaders, folks?

[J m HofMarN]

I don't think Mr. Hamilton had control of the army, Bond...

Anyhow, I would say Patrice Lumumba was such a leader. He was instrumental in freeing the Congo from Belgian rule, then attempted to institute social justice, and was tortured to death by the CIA's puppets. Mobutu Seseseko then ended up taking credit for all that Lumumba had done, despite having helped to kill him.

[Bond]

Belgian forces killed Lumumba, J m, not the CIA.

As for Hamilton, he was Washington's closest advisor, and a right douche at that.

[J m HofMarN]

The CIA instructed Mobutu Seseseko and helped overthrow Lumumba. You think Belgian would mount an operation like that on their own? The complicity of subsequent US regimes with Seseseko is clear evidence of their support.

[Spoon Poetic]

Sources? Actually, I'd be interested in seeing the articles/whatever you find a lot of your information on the CIA. I have never been under the impression that they are as evil as you claim them to be, but I'd be interested in seeing where your info comes from that makes them out to be evil. Honestly I don't think I've ever really seen any info about the CIA except from my buddy that works in the CIA and of course he can't say too much.

[J m HofMarN]

Please note that when I cite sources they're laid out in a professional manner and don't involve images of CIA agents photoshopped to look like the grim reaper or whatever.

http://www.africawit..._of_lumumba.htm

http://www.consortiu...s/consor30.html

http://www.guardian....1835930,00.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~...NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/

http://www.gwu.edu/~...NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/

Those are just some of the big attrocities. There are thousands of smaller ones from around the world. It makes me feel better to know that when the revolution comes those in command will likely have the sense to mete out a death sentence to anyone involved in this den of vipers and assassins.

This post has been edited by J m HofMarN: 09 September 2007 - 01:21 PM

[Bond]

J m, you really think the anti-Communist nutters are still running the CIA?

No, after the Berlin Wall fell, they all jumped ship and joined the John Birch Society.

[Cobnat]

J m, you really think the anti-Communist nutters are still running the CIA?

No, after the Berlin Wall fell, they all jumped ship and joined the John Birch Society.

No one in the CIA has ever been anti-Communist. They are all anti-anti-American.

This reminds me of a funny quote I read on antiwar.com:

It is better to be an enemy of the Empire then an ally because if you are an enemy then there is a chance that the Empire will try to buy you but if you are an ally then they will no doubt sell you out.

[J m HofMarN]

J m, you really think the anti-Communist nutters are still running the CIA?

You think the anti Muslim fruit cakes are any better? Spying on Americans, flying people to other countries to be tortured, running secret black ops prisons, and who knows how many assassins. As I said, when the revolution comes I think it would be a good policy to simply put out a blanket KOS order on any CIA personnel.

[Cobnat]

As I said, when the revolution comes I think it would be a good policy to simply put out a blanket KOS order on any CIA personnel.

So you believe that all CIA workers (even the janitors) should be collectively punished?

This post has been edited by Cobnat: 10 September 2007 - 04:59 AM

[Bond]

So you believe that all CIA workers (even the janitors) should be collectively punished?

That's a bit much, don't you think?

As for the revolution, it will not be televised.

[J m HofMarN]

ESPECIALLY THE JANITORS!

No, not really. I think it's possible to make a logical distinction even in warfare. In this scenario, if I were in charge, I'd allow logistics and technical workers, and yes, janitors, to go free.

[Bond]

Well. how kind of you, O Fearless Leader.

[J m HofMarN]

What can I say, I am a paragon of moderation.