[Bond]

Well, if you could lead the revolution against Bush, who would you support as leader in the resulting power vacuum?

[Cobnat]

Whatever all that was, it didn't answer my question. Do you believe that a regime like this should be allowed the power to indefinately detain people or torture them?

What kind of question is that? No I don’t. Detaining civilians for no purpose is downright wrong as I have already said in this thread:

http://www.chefelf.c...?showtopic=6572

Of course; David Hicks was a soldier and not a civilian. Once you choose to pick up a gun, you loose your human rights. I don’t mind soldiers detaining and torturing one another as long as civilians are not harmed.

[Bond]

So, you're saying as soon as some Joe Schmoe off the street picks up a gun lying somewhere, he automatically loses all his human rights and becomes a soldier?

[Cobnat]

So, you're saying as soon as some Joe Schmoe off the street picks up a gun lying somewhere, he automatically loses all his human rights and becomes a soldier?

I was speaking metaphorically. Does he intend to kill someone with that gun? And just how does someone come across a gun so easily?

My metaphor was more for those who sign up to the military and get sent to war zones.

This post has been edited by Cobnat: 01 August 2007 - 12:15 PM

[Bond]

What if the country in which you lived was declared a war zone, and you were caught holding a gun? How would that turn out for you, I wonder?

[Cobnat]

What if the country in which you lived was declared a war zone, and you were caught holding a gun? How would that turn out for you, I wonder?

Well if you were conscripted into the army and Id assume you would be then you didn’t make the choice of being a soldier or not. So if you are conscripted then theoretically, you have rights. But if it’s a civil war or if you are fighting an occupier then you obviously have rights. My metaphor was more for those who choice to be soldiers knowing they will be sent half way across the world to fight a pointless war.

[Bond]

Well, you were making comments allegedly condoning the use of torture, so...

(I use "allegedly" because that's what I was reading into your statements.)

[Cobnat]

Well, you were making comments allegedly condoning the use of torture, so...

(I use "allegedly" because that's what I was reading into your statements.)

I neither condone nor condemn the use of torture on soldiers who had a choice of fighting or not.

[Bond]

My apologies, then.

Now, what of David Hicks? Do you condone Cheney's treatment of the suspect?

[Cobnat]

My apologies, then.

Now, what of David Hicks? Do you condone Cheney's treatment of the suspect?

Well I don’t know under what circumstances he was captured or what went on in Guantanamo. I do know that he trained with Al Qaeda and he fought for (and on the behalf of) Al Qaeda in a few hotspots around the world. But I really cannot condemn or condone this situation.

[Bond]

All right, then. I'm just trying to keep the topic going; thank you for your opinion.

[Cobnat]

All right, then. I'm just trying to keep the topic going; thank you for your opinion.

Tell us your opinion on the matter oh master who has masterfully mastered their presence on these forums.

[Bond]

Dude, I'm not your master...

Now, speaking of the topic at hand, I think Cheney's a bit of a douchebag, but this Aussie terrorist guy probably deserved what he got.

Being, you know, a terrorist and all.

[Cobnat]

Dude, I'm not your master...

Now, speaking of the topic at hand, I think Cheney's a bit of a douchebag, but this Aussie terrorist guy probably deserved what he got.

Being, you know, a terrorist and all.

By the by; he is no longer a Muslim. I saw it on the news that he got picked on by the other Muslims in GB (or something like that) and he decided to convert out of Islam. Perhaps he converted into Islam so he would be “cool”. Sort of like peer pressure. Lmao.

This post has been edited by Cobnat: 01 August 2007 - 10:39 PM

[Bond]

Ah. My mistake, then.

You know, I kind of understand this "peer pressure" thing; it's a bit difficult to live under.