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Posted 08 June 2007 - 12:10 PM

I know this has probably been done to death, but let's compile a master list from memory of all ways the Prequel Trilogy contradicts the Original Trilogy (feel free to refer to the theatrical versions, the 1997 or 2004 special editions if you like).


The Rules: No posting contradictions between movies in the same "trilogy" and no posting EU retcons or fanon explanations or Lucas excuses for the contradictions outside the movies. If it's not explained in the movie itself, it's a mistake/plot hole.

I'm not asking for explanations, just a grand list of as many as we can come up with!


1 - Age of the Republic. ANH: "A thousand generations" vs. AOTC: "a thousand years"

2 - AOTC/ROTS: All stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett. OT: they have different heights and different voices... none of them sound like Temura Morrison.

3 - Size of the Clone Army. AOTC: States 1.2 million "units." By the OT, how can there be enough Stormtroopers to patrol the Galaxy if it takes 10 years to grow them and they age at 2x the normal rate?

4 - How can Leia remember her real mother (ROTJ), if not only was she born AFTER her twin Luke (ROTS), but Padme died in childbirth?

5 - When did Obi-Wan Kenobi serve Bail Organa during the Clone Wars? (ANH)

6 - Design of the Tantive IV (name not stated in movie, but Captain Antilles's ship), how does it change so radically in 20 years? (ROTS vs. ANH)

7 - Why doesn't R2D2 remember the past 20 years?

8 - Why did Ben Kenobi forget about Leia (ESB vs. ROTS)?

9 - When did Anakin demonstrate that he was "already a great pilot" when Obi-Wan "first knew him"? (ROTJ vs. TPM)

10 - When did Owen show any disagreement with Anakin, to the extent described by Obi-Wan? (ANH vs. AOTC/ROTS)

11 - Why does Yoda say that Jedi never use the Force for attack, but only 'knowledge and defense', and why does he disparage war/warriors? (ESB vs. AOTC/ROTS)

12 - Why was Luke "hidden" on Anakin's home planet, at the homestead of the family his mother married into and his last name not changed? (ROTS vs. ANH)

13 - Why doesn't Chewie react to Han Solo's bad-mouthing of the Jedi and the Force? (ANH vs. ROTS)

14 - Why doesn't R2D2 ever use his rocket boosters again? (AOTC/ROTS)

15 - Why did the first Death Star take twenty years to build, while the second, larger and more powerful station, was built in 1-3 years? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)

16 - When was it shown that Anakin was a "good man" and a "good friend" before he turned to the Dark Side? (ROTS vs. ANH/ROTJ)

17 - Why did Obi-Wan refer to Yoda as "The Jedi Master who instructed me" when he was instructed by Qui Gon Jinn? (TPM vs. ESB)

18 - Why does Yoda moan about Luke being "too old to begin the training" when Obi-Wan had no problem with it, and supposedly Yoda thought 9 year old Anakin was "too old"? (TPM vs. ANH/ESB)

19 - What happened to Jar Jar Binks?

20 - (Special Editions) Why does anyone on Tatooine care when the Empire falls?

21 - Why does Obi-Wan wear his Jedi uniform "in hiding" on Tatooine? (ANH vs. TPM/AOTC/ROTS)

22 - What happened to all the battle droids?

23 - Why isn't Luke able to stop the Emperor's lightning attack and why doesn't Yoda at least show him how to counter it? (ROTJ vs. AOTC/ROTS)

24 - If there are only always ever two Sith "no more, no less... a master and an apprentice" (TPM) why does Vader recommend that Luke could be turned into a "powerful ally" and the Emperor agrees he would be a "great asset"? (TPM vs. ESB)

25 - Why do Obi-Wan, Anakin, Owen and Beru appear so old if only 18-20 years have past since we last saw them? (ANH/ROTJ vs. ROTS)

26 - Why doesn't Admiral Motti seem aware of the reality of the Force and the power of those who wield it? (PT vs. ANH)

27 - What happened to the Imperial military in those two decades that they lost nearly all their hardware and technology? (ROTS vs. OT)

28 - Why doesn't Obi-Wan recognize the droids? (ANH vs. PT)

29 - Why doesn't Owen Lars recognize the droids? (ANH vs. AOTC)

30 - Why don't Luke or Leia ever find out that R2D2 knows everything about their past?



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Posted 08 June 2007 - 01:53 PM

Can't wait for the pod-race vs piloting wars.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 05:48 PM

31 - Why doesn't Qui Gon Jinn appear as a spirit at the end of ROTJ? (see AOTC/ROTS)

32 - If one has to be "trained" to become a spirit after death, when did Anakin ever learn it? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)

33 - When did Anakin express the desire for his son to have his lightsaber when he was "old enough" (and if the Jedi are trained from birth, does that mean as a toddler? but since the Jedi aren't allowed to have children... then what?)?

34 - How many Wars were there? Why does Yoda refer to it as "the Clone War" instead of the "Clone WarS" (plural)? (AOTC vs. ANH)

35 - Why does Ben refer to Vader as "Darth" if that is a Sith title rather than a personal name? (see ANH)

36 - Was Vader really "but the learner" when he "left" Obi-Wan? (ANH vs. ROTS)

37 - Did Obi-Wan really stop going by that name (and start going by the name "Ben") "before" Luke was born? (ANH vs. ROTS)

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Post icon  Posted 11 June 2007 - 11:04 AM

QUOTE (KurganX @ Jun 8 2007, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not asking for explanations, just a grand list of as many as we can come up with!


BUT explanations or lack thereof separate us from the gushers...
It seems like everyone is over the nitpicking. Too bad.
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 07:56 AM

QUOTE (KurganX @ Jun 9 2007, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not asking for explanations, just a grand list of as many as we can come up with!

And let my acid wit go to waste? NEVER!

*click* 'Safety is off'.

> 1 - Age of the Republic. ANH: "A thousand generations" vs. AOTC: "a thousand years"
He was referring to Midi-chloridian lifespans. They don't live very long: a year. That's about half the life span of a common rat.

> 2 - AOTC/ROTS: All stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett. OT: they have different heights
> and different voices... none of them sound like Temura Morrison.
Much like Australia was once flavor of the month, so was New Zealand. The Kiwi accent amused Palpatine at first, but after a while it grated on him ('Yus my Lud') and he ordered it changed.

Or maybe the Camino Clonemasters let them watch too much American TV?

> 3 - Size of the Clone Army. AOTC: States 1.2 million "units." By the OT, how can there be
> enough Stormtroopers to patrol the Galaxy if it takes 10 years to grow them and they age
> at 2x the normal rate?

Deeper answer: It's the difference between a real world and an imaginary one. Ever played the Lucasarts Star Wars games? It quickly becomes apparent the imagined world is so full of contradictions it isn't feasible.

> 4 - How can Leia remember her real mother (ROTJ), if not only was she born AFTER her twin
> Luke (ROTS), but Padme died in childbirth?

False memory. Psych books explain this: A baby is only born because it gets too big to stay inside mommy. It's consciousness forms years later. Leia couldn't possibly remember anything that young. However when someone tells you something you did as a kid, you'll imagine it. Later when recounted to you, you'll remember imaging it and say 'Yeah! I remember that!'

> 5 - When did Obi-Wan Kenobi serve Bail Organa during the Clone Wars? (ANH)
It was while Padme gave birth. Bail said he was so tired he couldn't keep his eyes open so Obi-won said he'd get him a coffee.

> 6 - Design of the Tantive IV (name not stated in movie, but Captain Antilles's ship),
> how does it change so radically in 20 years? (ROTS vs. ANH)

The top two slots on my enemies list are 1. Fan Boys, 2. CGI Guys. You can listen to the latter prattling away on the DVD Director's Commentary. They're sloppy and couldn't give a toss about anything but making "cool CGI".

> 7 - Why doesn't R2D2 remember the past 20 years?
A common mistake. There are actually many R2D2 units manufactured. The prequels and original trilogies are actually completely different R2D2s, and perhaps even between movies. It explains why there are also so many different looking R2D2s in SW4 (2 leg - 3 leg - black in space - blue on land). Very obvious, yet not many people know this.

> 8 - Why did Ben Kenobi forget about Leia (ESB vs. ROTS)?
Dementia.

> 9 - When did Anakin demonstrate that he was "already a great pilot"
> when Obi-Wan "first knew him"? (ROTJ vs. TPM)
Apparently Obi-won didn't realize, like everyone else, that the Pod Race CGI was soooo fake.

> 10 - When did Owen show any disagreement with Anakin, to the extent
> described by Obi-Wan? (ANH vs. AOTC/ROTS)
Yeah... All Anakin did was rescue Owen's wife. What a bastard!

> 11 - Why does Yoda say that Jedi never use the Force for attack, but only
> 'knowledge and defense', and why does he disparage war/warriors? (ESB vs. AOTC/ROTS)
Does mildly contradict with Yoda chopping the two Clonetroopers heads off.

> 12 - Why was Luke "hidden" on Anakin's home planet, at the homestead of the family
> his mother married into and his last name not changed? (ROTS vs. ANH)
This was quite safe. They hadn't invented Google yet.

> 13 - Why doesn't Chewie react to Han Solo's bad-mouthing of the Jedi and the Force? (ANH vs. ROTS)
Especially since we learn in ROTS he's friends with Yoda: They even know each other by name. (Which makes me wonder why do Wookies have names they couldn't possibly pronounce?)

> 14 - Why doesn't R2D2 ever use his rocket boosters again? (AOTC/ROTS)
I told you. That's a different robot from the other movies. Does anyone listen?

> 15 - Why did the first Death Star take twenty years to build, while the second,
> larger and more powerful station, was built in 1-3 years? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)
I'll let Lucas answer this himself from the DVD commentaries: "They had supply difficulties and labor problems (chortle)" He said he just wanted to show the Deathstar, period.

> 16 - When was it shown that Anakin was a "good man" and a "good friend" before
> he turned to the Dark Side? (ROTS vs. ANH/ROTJ)
There was three minutes about half an hour into ROTS when Anakin and Obi-won exchanged some friendly banter. Glad that scene wasn't cut, or I wouldn't be able to help you.

> 17 - Why did Obi-Wan refer to Yoda as "The Jedi Master who instructed me"
> when he was instructed by Qui Gon Jinn? (TPM vs. ESB)
Hmmm... Best I can come up with Yoda instructed Obi-won to get Bail that coffee. "His eyes keep open he cannot."

> 18 - Why does Yoda moan about Luke being "too old to begin the training"
> when Obi-Wan had no problem with it, and supposedly Yoda thought 9 year old
> Anakin was "too old"? (TPM vs. ANH/ESB)
He was just teasing.

> 19 - What happened to Jar Jar Binks?
I killed him. That cargo, if it's your gold, take it. But let us keep the woman. It will help reduce our losses on this trip.

> 20 - (Special Editions) Why does anyone on Tatooine care when the Empire falls?
Probably for the same reason the Russian Mafia celebrated the fall of the Soviet Union. Pollonium, anyone?

> 21 - Why does Obi-Wan wear his Jedi uniform "in hiding" on Tatooine? (ANH vs. TPM/AOTC/ROTS)
He's pretending to be a Jawa, drinks and says "Ompeetee" a lot.

> 22 - What happened to all the battle droids?
They look scary, but you heard their voices? For this reason sales were poor and the line canceled.

> 23 - Why isn't Luke able to stop the Emperor's lightning attack and why doesn't Yoda
> at least show him how to counter it? (ROTJ vs. AOTC/ROTS)
It was a new technique, unknown at that time, taught to Palpatine by some dead Sithlord. Jedi aren't the only masters able to communicate beyond the void of plausability.

> 24 - If there are only always ever two Sith "no more, no less... a master and an apprentice"
Damn I edited this one too early.

> 25 - Why do Obi-Wan, Anakin, Owen and Beru appear so old if only 18-20 years have
> past since we last saw them? (ANH/ROTJ vs. ROTS)
It's that dry desert air. Evidently they never got those moisture evaporators working. 20 years later Owen was still looking for someone to program them.

> 26 - Why doesn't Admiral Motti seem aware of the reality of the Force and the power
> of those who wield it? (PT vs. ANH)
Universe is a big place and he'd never met Vader before. As discussed in another thread, that big black outfit with a cape is standard for all burns victims in the galaxy. When Vader strode in with Tarkin, he assumed it was a burns victim courtesy of the Galaxy Wishing Foundation.

> 27 - What happened to the Imperial military in those two decades that they lost nearly
> all their hardware and technology? (ROTS vs. OT)
Not to mention their ability to aim.

> 28 - Why doesn't Obi-Wan recognize the droids? (ANH vs. PT)
No braincells left. If I was an old guy living alone in the desert I'd be into the home brew big time.

> 29 - Why doesn't Owen Lars recognize the droids? (ANH vs. AOTC)
The guy barely recognized his wife was missing.

> 30 - Why don't Luke or Leia ever find out that R2D2 knows everything about their past?
Different R2D2. (This makes so much sense it scares me.)

> 31 - Why doesn't Qui Gon Jinn appear as a spirit at the end of ROTJ? (see AOTC/ROTS)
Shhh! If Lucas reads this he'll digitally add him. And probably Boba Fett too.

> 32 - If one has to be "trained" to become a spirit after death, when did Anakin ever learn it? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)
Maybe Lucas can digitally remove Christopher Hayden and overlay Liam Neilsen and Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows.

> 33 - When did Anakin express the desire for his son to have his lightsaber when he was
> "old enough" (and if the Jedi are trained from birth, does that mean as a toddler?
> but since the Jedi aren't allowed to have children... then what?)?

There was a scene in the ROTS script that never made it into filming. It's on that Volcano planet. When Obi-won walks away from the human torch Anakin screams: "Oh BTW if by some chance I didn't kill Padme and if by some chance she has kids and one of them is a boy give him my light sabre when he's old enough. But if the girl is a Blue Hottie, give it to her instead. Oh YEAH!! I'll hold that thought in my mind as I die. Go! Go!"

> 34 - How many Wars were there? Why does Yoda refer to it as "the Clone War" instead of the "Clone WarS" (plural)? (AOTC vs. ANH)
It was later changed by Lucas at the suggestion of Mattel.

> 35 - Why does Ben refer to Vader as "Darth" if that is a Sith title rather than a personal name? (see ANH)
The Jedi are supposed to be based on Samurai. In Japan addressing a non-intimate by their first name is considered rude. He did it to piss him off. Vader should have called Obi-won "Sempai" and Obi-won "Darth-kun" or just "Da-kun" http://animesuki.com

> 36 - Was Vader really "but the learner" when he "left" Obi-Wan? (ANH vs. ROTS)
Yeah... another contradiction. Again the ROTS DVD Director's Commentary. Lucas explains the reason for the superfluous space battle was to sell toys. NO! He actually said it was to show that Obi-won and Anakin are "now both equals". I kid you not.

> 37 - Did Obi-Wan really stop going by that name (and start going by the name "Ben") "before" Luke was born? (ANH vs. ROTS)

Lucas is notorious for his sloppy script writing and story editing. He changed the name during writing. Word processors make it easy, but back in the 1970s it was typewriter or long hand. Better just to pretend it's an Alias.

Or maybe Obi-won did it to go Undercover? Seems to hide from the empire all your need to worry about is your first name: Family names don't seem to be noticed. By Kenobi is Smith and Skywalker is Jones?
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 12:44 PM

why is the word "sith" not heard in the OT, despite being name dropped a billion times in the PT?

obi wan claims yoda trained him in EMPIRE, yet qui gon was quite clearly his master in TPM

"when i first knew him, i was amazed how strongly the force was with him" - wasn't that qui gon?

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 08:48 PM

I think the droid issue was supposed to be resolved in this one line of dialogue in ROTS.

"Send a message to the ships of the trade federation...all droid units must shut down immediately".
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Posted 14 June 2007 - 12:04 AM

QUOTE (Storm @ Jun 13 2007, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the droid issue was supposed to be resolved in this one line of dialogue in ROTS.

"Send a message to the ships of the trade federation...all droid units must shut down immediately".


and that's why owen doesn't remember C3P0?
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Posted 14 June 2007 - 09:10 AM

I'm in the mood for this, I don't know why (apologies in advance)

LONG POST FEEL FREE TO SKIP

QUOTE (KurganX @ Jun 8 2007, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not asking for explanations, just a grand list of as many as we can come up with!
1 - Age of the Republic. ANH: "A thousand generations" vs. AOTC: "a thousand years"

Yes, plot hole/oversight by Lucas.

2 - AOTC/ROTS: All stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett. OT: they have different heights and different voices... none of them sound like Temura Morrison.

Clones were replaced with regular conscripts as their ranks thinned out.

3 - Size of the Clone Army. AOTC: States 1.2 million "units." By the OT, how can there be enough Stormtroopers to patrol the Galaxy if it takes 10 years to grow them and they age at 2x the normal rate?

See above.

4 - How can Leia remember her real mother (ROTJ), if not only was she born AFTER her twin Luke (ROTS), but Padme died in childbirth?

Plot hole (stupid, stupid plot hole).

5 - When did Obi-Wan Kenobi serve Bail Organa during the Clone Wars? (ANH)

Yeah, I suppose. Esp. since Bail was against the war, it's hard to see him fighting properly in a leader type role in it.


6 - Design of the Tantive IV (name not stated in movie, but Captain Antilles's ship), how does it change so radically in 20 years? (ROTS vs. ANH)

what?

7 - Why doesn't R2D2 remember the past 20 years?

what?


8 - Why did Ben Kenobi forget about Leia (ESB vs. ROTS)?

He doesn't, does he? What do you mean?


9 - When did Anakin demonstrate that he was "already a great pilot" when Obi-Wan "first knew him"? (ROTJ vs. TPM)

Podrace. yes, I know, but they use the verb to pilot to describe the act of podracing.
That's how it goes.


10 - When did Owen show any disagreement with Anakin, to the extent described by Obi-Wan? (ANH vs. AOTC/ROTS)

This isn't a plothole.

11 - Why does Yoda say that Jedi never use the Force for attack, but only 'knowledge and defense', and why does he disparage war/warriors? (ESB vs. AOTC/ROTS)

The war and it's fallout has changed him (its clearer if you watch them in order)

12 - Why was Luke "hidden" on Anakin's home planet, at the homestead of the family his mother married into and his last name not changed? (ROTS vs. ANH)

He wasn't "hidden". he was "dead".

13 - Why doesn't Chewie react to Han Solo's bad-mouthing of the Jedi and the Force? (ANH vs. ROTS)

what?

14 - Why doesn't R2D2 ever use his rocket boosters again? (AOTC/ROTS)

Yeah, stupid move by Lucas.

15 - Why did the first Death Star take twenty years to build, while the second, larger and more powerful station, was built in 1-3 years? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)

Improved technology? That's not such a leap to make is it?

16 - When was it shown that Anakin was a "good man" and a "good friend" before he turned to the Dark Side? (ROTS vs. ANH/ROTJ)

He was obviously a good man who made bad choices. One of the things the trilogy does well is blur the easy good/bad distinctions that the OT made.

17 - Why did Obi-Wan refer to Yoda as "The Jedi Master who instructed me" when he was instructed by Qui Gon Jinn? (TPM vs. ESB)

Yoda instructed him when he was a kid. You see this in Ep2

18 - Why does Yoda moan about Luke being "too old to begin the training" when Obi-Wan had no problem with it, and supposedly Yoda thought 9 year old Anakin was "too old"? (TPM vs. ANH/ESB)

Not sure what you mean by this. isn't this an OT plothole?

19 - What happened to Jar Jar Binks?

Died? Survived? No plothole here.

20 - (Special Editions) Why does anyone on Tatooine care when the Empire falls?

They were occupied. Did you watch ANH?

21 - Why does Obi-Wan wear his Jedi uniform "in hiding" on Tatooine? (ANH vs. TPM/AOTC/ROTS)

Yeah, I suppose.

22 - What happened to all the battle droids?

Shut down on Siddys orders.

23 - Why isn't Luke able to stop the Emperor's lightning attack and why doesn't Yoda at least show him how to counter it? (ROTJ vs. AOTC/ROTS)

Yeah, I suppose.

24 - If there are only always ever two Sith "no more, no less... a master and an apprentice" (TPM) why does Vader recommend that Luke could be turned into a "powerful ally" and the Emperor agrees he would be a "great asset"? (TPM vs. ESB)

They're both working against each other at this point- vader wants to replace siddy and siddy wants rid of his defective sith (again, its one of the brilliant things about the new trilogy is how it changed the dynamics of the old one)

25 - Why do Obi-Wan, Anakin, Owen and Beru appear so old if only 18-20 years have past since we last saw them? (ANH/ROTJ vs. ROTS)

Yeah, I suppose. Actors, but OK.

26 - Why doesn't Admiral Motti seem aware of the reality of the Force and the power of those who wield it? (PT vs. ANH)

Thats not a plothole.


27 - What happened to the Imperial military in those two decades that they lost nearly all their hardware and technology? (ROTS vs. OT)

what?


28 - Why doesn't Obi-Wan recognize the droids? (ANH vs. PT)

I suppose. R2 units all look alike though.


29 - Why doesn't Owen Lars recognize the droids? (ANH vs. AOTC)

This is valid. Although his eagerness to have their minds wiped could suggest otherwise.

30 - Why don't Luke or Leia ever find out that R2D2 knows everything about their past?

Why would they. R2 knows better than that.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE (barend @ Jun 14 2007, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and that's why owen doesn't remember C3P0?


No, it's supposed to be the explanation as to why we see no battle droids in the OT.
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 01:02 AM

QUOTE (Storm @ Jun 14 2007, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, it's supposed to be the explanation as to why we see no battle droids in the OT.


i know what you ment... i was just messing with you. wink.gif
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 05:17 PM

Dang it, how did I know you guys were going to derail my thread? I just wanted a little help compiling a list of contradictions between trilogies, that's all.

I already know all the excuses, they're all over wikipedia and TFN and other fanboy gusher hangouts. Kudos to those of you who tried to at least be clever with some of them!

Sigh...


I'm surprised nobody said it, but "Leia remembers Padme through the Force" has got to be the dumbest excuse for a Star Wars plot hole I've ever heard.



jariten, you sound like you haven't read ChefElf's "Reasons to hate..." wink.gif


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""when i first knew him, i was amazed how strongly the force was with him" - wasn't that qui gon?"


Thanks prequel dialog coach! Excellent point. If I could edit my post I'd add that to my list...

Obi-Wan said he was a "pathetic lifeform."

He wasn't "amazed" at anything, he only trained Anakin because it was Qui Gon's dying wish that "the Chosen One" be trained.


As for the battle droids shutting down, yes, I'm glad that was resolved, I'm glad "ordered to shut down" means "all battle droids destroyed, all droid factories cease production forever and the plans and software melted down, so that no battle droids can ever be created again."

Billions of droids (the EU said trillions or quadrillions) and they ALL vanish from the galaxy in 19 years time...

So what, did they use the battle droids as scrap to build the Death Star? *laff*


And saying that there were conscripts introduced into the Stormtrooper ranks does not fix the problem, since they are ALL portrayed as clones in Episode III and they'd have needed many more than 1.2 million in order to have prosecuted the war on the scale they did for 3 years! We should have seen mostly non-clones in Episode III, but instead we only see "Bodi Taylor" (younger clone) and "Temura Morrison" (older clone) clones. And all voiced by Mr. Morrison. These guys are conspicuously absent from the OT. So somehow they got many more times the clones in one movie and they all vanished in 20 years. But yet Lucas wants us to believe that the guy banging his head on the door is a Jango Fett clone. Okay!

PT = all clones
OT = no clones

If they HAD the technology in the PT era to make billions, trillions of clones, then they wouldn't need conscripts at all. They could just keep cloning them into the OT era. So it's a contradiction.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 12:25 AM

So you want to compile a list of plotholes that aren't plotholes?

As you were

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:15 AM

For the Leia remembering her mother - when Luke asks that, Leia has no idea they are brother and sister yet. I can only imagine she is speaking about Bail's wife, who may have died early on in her childhood.
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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE (Black Charlie @ Jun 16 2007, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For the Leia remembering her mother - when Luke asks that, Leia has no idea they are brother and sister yet. I can only imagine she is speaking about Bail's wife, who may have died early on in her childhood.


That would work, except Luke says "do you remember your mother, your real mother?"

I think Lucas just dropped the ball on it, but its not really a big deal.
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