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Posted 24 April 2004 - 10:18 AM

I remembered another fault with this awful trash - having Anakin build Threepio. Apart from the huge problem of making Threepio like a mechanical sibling for Luke and how Anakin couldn't program a droid to be fluent in over six million forms of communication..... a Threepio unit is a standard protocol droid model that is mass produced and used everywhere. I really felt my intelligence insulted by this little scene in the movie. But that's okay. I was used to having Lucas insult my intelligence by that stage, after sitting through Jar Jar Binks and the giant fish business.

But there's an overall problem in this movie, that carries on into Episode II as well... in that Lucas crams in as many characters from the original trilogy as he can. And apart from key players like Anakin, Obi Wan, The Emperor and (as many of us would argue) Owen Lars, many of the characters have no business being there.

I'd go as far as to say Yoda had no business being in the prequel trilogy but I can still live with it. There are however a list of characters that I strongly feel have no business being in these movies:

1. Threepio. He is a standard protocol droid. Sure, the guys in the Original Trilogy
were friends with him (for the most part) but that's the limit of his importance.
2. Artoo. Same as Threepio. Although he was more useful and not annoying, he
was still just a regular astromech droid.
3. The young Greedo... because, just come on.
4. Jabba the Hutt and Bib Fortuna. I just have a problem with the future Lord
Vader entertaining these guys in that pod race. I have a problem with seeing
Lord Vader as a little kid, period. It's not right. Showing Vader as a kid is like
digging up an embarrassing home movie of a famous actor - it damages the
reputation.
5. I know I'm now crossing into Episode II territory, but I think it's okay for this
post... Boba Fett. For the love of all that's good in the world, WHY was he there?


And now, characters I'm afraid will be included in Episode III...

1. A young Han Solo - an obnoxious three or four year old kid, playing a pivotal
role in the big changes in the galaxy even though that's completely
inconceiveable.
2. Chewbacca. It's been said sometimes that Chewbacca is 200 years old but as
they never said it in the movies, I don't suscribe to it. But I wouldn't put it past
Lucas to use it and put Chewbacca in the movie. Don't get me wrong. I love
Chewbacca, just as I love Han Solo, but these guys can't have affected the big
stories that will (or at least should) be going on in Episode III.
3. A young Lando Calrissian, probably with his Dad, who will probably be Mace
Windu's brother.


The problem with Lucas' idea to cram all of these characters into his prequels is this - the more he rehashes his characters, the smaller his story becomes.
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Posted 24 April 2004 - 11:22 AM

Well, you hit 1 out of 3. Chewie is gonna be in Episode III. I think it'll only be a small role, but he'll be one of the Wookie warriors. Of course I'm sure we'll have a scene where he does something heroic, and they want to know his name.

"Senator, the wookie's name is (dramatic pause) Chewbacca" *collective gasp from audience*

Typical stupid prequel-lover: OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! That's Chewie! WOW!! Lucas is a genius, he even manages to fit Chewie in here, and that gives him more importance in the OT! Think of the motivation! He joins up with the rebels and makes Han go back because he fought with the Jedi! OOOO, and Obi-Wan picked him to fly them to Alderaan because they knew each other already! It all fits! Now if only I knew that Grand Moff Tarkin was the Emperor's long-lost brother, everything would fit together perfectly!
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Posted 24 April 2004 - 11:25 AM

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Now if only I knew that Grand Moff Tarkin was the Emperor's long-lost brother, everything would fit together perfectly!


And I wouldn't put that past Lucas either.
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Posted 26 April 2004 - 07:00 PM

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and the giant fish business.


If this had happened only ONCE, and it was a result of Qui-Gon (or Obi-Wan) compelling the giant fish through the power of the Force, I would be more receptive to the scene.

But being saved by the same fish (or type) twice was ridiculous.
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All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
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Posted 27 April 2004 - 02:54 AM

QUOTE (Just your average movie goer @ Apr 24 2004, 10:18 AM)
1. Threepio.  He is a standard protocol droid.  Sure, the guys in the Original Trilogy
    were friends with him (for the most part) but that's the limit of his importance.
2. Artoo.  Same as Threepio.  Although he was more useful and not annoying, he
  was still just a regular astromech droid.



Back in the times when GL had a brain I've seen an interview where he mentioned some 1970's Chinese movie. Actually a story about some chinese king(emperor?) that was narrated by two of his slaves.. then he went on and pointed out the role of the two droids in the movie..
I though "Oau! The entire SW saga is actually the story of 2 droids/friends and their happenings through the troubled times of civil war in the galaxy".. For some reason this point of view has stuck wery dearly with me whenever I was wathing the OTs.

I was seriosuly hopeing the droids will be there in the presequels.For some reason I was envisioning the pre-sequels as focusing arround these 2 droids and how they perceived the times of the collapse of The Republic. Then somehow, in-between-the-lines, the story of Anakin Skywalker would, somehow marginally, be unfolded.. and this was long before I even heard GL was actually working on presequels.

Then the PT comes along and I get to "see my dream come true" ..3PO is there!! What do you know :Vader built the thingie; a protocol droid.. to help his slave mother.. apparently slaves on Tatooine care much about protocol or something..

Welll, you've all seen PT so there is no point in explaining how GL manages to screw this up. The point is.. well, no, I don't have a point.
I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 03:40 AM

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The point is.. well, no, I don't have a point.


No, that's not true... I get what you're saying. I don't agree personally but it's a plausible theory that maybe Star Wars could have been the story of how the galaxy changed, seen through the perspective of these two droids... who are our wandering eye-witnesses.

It's a better argument than anything Lucas could probably come up with.


He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Hayden Christiansen. When that happened, the good man who you all thought you'd see in Episode II was destroyed. So what I showed you at the cinema was true, from a certain point of view.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:42 PM

...That is something Lucas came up with.
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 12:25 AM

That's what I meant.
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