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#196 User is offline   Don Andy Icon

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE (Ryu @ Jan 31 2007, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To correct Don Andy, it actually is in the end of the game. I remember it clear as yesterday, as that was the thing that first freaked me out like the hell, and after that I was all "Noooo! Yahtzee! That's LAME!". I guess Yahtz wanted to explain up that thing. It's really really in the very end of the game when the box is just lying there, then a hand comes out and the game cuts the scene off.


Well, if we really want to nail down the moment in 7DAS, when Theo should be lying in there, then it is the dream sequence of Somerset, where the thing opens, a hand pops out and then Somerset awakes.

Why? Well, in the end, the coffin was already open. As we see Theo in it in 6DAS, we can clearly see that it is closed, and he has to "bang" it open, just as he did in Somerset's dream.

That's probably also why Somerset says that it isn't real instead of Theo.

So, there, question answered.

The hand at the end of 7DAS was just for the "it isn't over yet" effect, since the whole Chzo zaloomba was yet to be thought of at that point.
If it weren't for Trilby's Notes we would've probably got yet another "Johnny slaughters everyone" game.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 10:58 AM

The Shining flashback, anyone?

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 02:44 PM

Don, when talking about overanalysing, I meant the rather minor plot detail about whether or not the cult could build over the DeFoe ruins. I think it's pretty obvious that they did happy.gif Other details, I think, are far more important and far more relevent.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:11 PM

QUOTE (Don Andy @ Jan 31 2007, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I mean when he just getting up from the coffin, he says something along the lines of "Put yourself together, it's not real." and the scene fades to the room with the bomb.


I believe this has brought my mind into another breakthrough-theory. The Caretaker is quite timeless and mostly observes stuff, so he must know pretty much everything. Now then, this leads us to assume that he meant "it's not real" as a general thing. He's telling us that NOTHING IS REAL! ESCAPE! KILL YOURSELVES AS NOTHING MATTERS! EVERYTHING IS JUST A HALLUCINATION OF YOUR MIND, WICH ISN'T REAL!

Okay. That's made clear. Now we don't need any other plot analyses, as that pretty much covered up everything. I'll go now and sleep in my unreal bed.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (Ryu @ Jan 31 2007, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe this has brought my mind into another breakthrough-theory. The Caretaker is quite timeless and mostly observes stuff, so he must know pretty much everything. Now then, this leads us to assume that he meant "it's not real" as a general thing. He's telling us that NOTHING IS REAL! ESCAPE! KILL YOURSELVES AS NOTHING MATTERS! EVERYTHING IS JUST A HALLUCINATION OF YOUR MIND, WICH ISN'T REAL!

Okay. That's made clear. Now we don't need any other plot analyses, as that pretty much covered up everything. I'll go now and sleep in my unreal bed.


Heh, reminds of of that philosopher guy, who dreamed he was a butterfly, and after he woke up, he wondered if he probably really is just a butterfly that dreams of being a man.
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 05:03 AM

Told you all earlier: we're actually not separate beings but parts of one consciousness that experiences itself subjectively, death is an illusion, life is a dream, and we're the imaginations of ourselves! biggrin.gif
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 05:18 AM

Gawd, can't you lay off the pot for only one minute every once in a while?

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 05:19 AM

QUOTE (David-kyo @ Feb 1 2007, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and we're the imaginations of ourselves! biggrin.gif


Man, really DO have a bad imagination then xD
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 03:53 PM

Just played it through again and noticed that if you get bald somerset to walk past the old trilby when you fist see him he says 'you know where I come from It's rude to blank people', reminded me of the humour in the first two games.
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE (Jack @ Jan 25 2007, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe it may be as such:

-Arrogant Man attempts to summon Chzo, fails, becomes the Prince
-Prince gives Word to cultists

-Chzo wants to take the pain of John DeFoe
-Trilby becomes the Guide by 'killing' John and destroying (most of) his soulbound objects

-Prince tells cultists to gather the DeFoe artifacts and Trilby
-Trilby's Mind-body-Soul are all broken at the end of Notes, but dies before Chzo can open the gate

-Mephistopholes killer becomes the Bridgekeeper by killing himself and irradiating the DeFore idol

-Theo is broken, becomes the New Prince, and the bridge is complete with the destruction of the house

With the paradox of the Man in Red, an infinite loop causes the events of DeFoe and Trilby to repeat endlessly in the world of Chzo, allowing him to grow with a limitless amount of pain.

That would explain that when the Bridgekeeper kills himself, he appears in the world of Chzo, facing the old Trilby clone and the New Prince, while giving life back to the original Trilby so he can send the DeFoe idol into space. The Old Trilby would have had to have been the last clone, considering the New Prince was there.

Chzo is as said, a Pain Elemental, which's only purpose is to accumulate pain. By creating this bridge between the worlds, and with the Bridgekeeper creating an infinite loop, Chzo would exist in endless bliss in a realm of pain he already had absolute dominion of, as he was the last.

And even after that, the rest of the world of Technology goes on while the Manor, Hotel, Optimology, and the Mephistopholes are isolated in time.




So Chzo "won"?

F*ck.
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 04:37 PM

QUOTE (HackSlacka @ Feb 1 2007, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So Chzo "won"?


Yes.
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 04:50 PM

QUOTE (MAX Acca @ Jan 27 2007, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After I'd finished this game, I said the following words in sequence about three times:

HOLY

FUCKING

SHIT

This is probably the only time I've really been impressed with a game's plot. Most of the time I just go with it. Not really surprised with most plot twists.

So, I won't ask any questions.

I'll just reiterate.

HOLY

FUCKING

SHIT

Anyway, if we want questions answered, I suppose we could wait for the Special Edition.


Second that.

Yahtzee is awesome.

This post has been edited by HackSlacka: 01 February 2007 - 04:53 PM

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 06:33 PM

One thing I didn't quite understand was why Malcolm Somerset relived all the murders on the Mephistopheles as though he had done them himself, with everyone else in the room (including the version of himself that was actually there) replaced with John DeFoe apron+mask+machete instances. It was an incredibly awesome game sequence from a cinematic point of view, with his robe becoming torn and bloodied as he descends the stairs, gradually transforming him into what we recognise as the mysterious Caretaker, but plotwise I don't really know why those particular flashbacks happened or what they signified.

Anybody care to enlighten me?
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 07:47 PM

Hmm...

Any proponent of the loop-theory, please enlighten me: how can you explain the purpose of the New Prince? In the game, he gently sends Cabadath to a better place, then much later blocks a mysterious tunnel in Chzo to force Somerset into the void. If we talk about his powers and abilities, he's clearly effective as Chzo's garbage chute inspector. But I don't think that's all.

1, Cabadath was weaker than optimal, he might work against Chzo, but what we know surely is his soul object would not last eternally. That's the direct cause of creating the NP.

2, In the game it is said and showed that Chzo wanted the New Prince. The loop-theory, I think is changing the cause with the goal, and interprating this change as an implication of some key moments of the game. (more clearly: the loop happened because the nature of the Bridge, and not the loop was created using the Bridge as a building block, and the NP as a pawn)

Now two more abstract arguments:

3, I don't think the culmination of the game, the purpose of Chzo was to create a bit more effective pawn who "later" plays a role in his own creation. After all the important and painful events, that would be a bit cheap solution.

4, enjoying the loop is enjoying the same pain over and over again. Repetition is boring, and Boredom is one of the Pains of the Mind. smile.gif Chzo is an extremely sadistic being, and besides this, we know that it can feel pain (saving Trilby makes him furious) which was unpleasant. The loop eventually would be a torture for Chzo.

And another little thing: Chzo obviously exists beyond the loop. The transcendence of Somerset is not an end, the world of magic also moves on.

Anyone tried to used the hand icon on Chzo's eye in the end? The NP says if you do this: protect him always. That might be more than a brainwashed sentence of a slave, maybe one of his role really is to protect Chzo.

Does anybody have a clue about the soul object of the NP (if he has)?

(sorry for the strange English, it's not my first language. And I might have misunderstood some things, really tough to understand the plot. Awesome work, Yahtzee, by the way, never seen anything like it.)

This post has been edited by Dalboz: 01 February 2007 - 07:48 PM

Permasuck, from Frobozz Electric. We don't make things that suck, we make things that suck permanently.
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 07:54 PM

Yeah, It think if more was explained about the nature of the world of magic then mabey we would understand it better, perhapse there are more important matters to Chzo in his own world than the small time goings on of Defoe and Co. in the technology world, but he used it as a means to an end. after all, Somerset was an avatar too, how many more are there?
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