[Blueskirt]

It sounds like I will have to mess around a bit more to see this the next time I will play the game.

Personally I'd love to see more Trilby games, but not related to the XDAS mythos, sort of like some storys of Trilbys previous robberys before 5DAS or mabey the further adventures of trilby, taking place after TN's. It'd be intersing to see the character in a more light hearted adventure affair.

I'm pretty sure that will happen someday. Trilby simply too well liked and a too good character to be discarded at the same time as the XDAS mythos. Personally I'd rather see his life after Trilby's Notes. Because his personality got shaped a lot by the 5DAS' and TN's events. New and more exciting adventures in the same vein could only follow. On the other hand, if he lived a lifestyle such as Arsene Lupin's or Thief's Garrett's lifestyle, full of romances, uses of finesse to bluff, dupe, sneak, rob the riches, escape the autorities and doing feet and hands to get really obscure and much valuable artifacts, then I would definitivly not say no to a story happening before the XDAS events.

[AdamM]

Trilby after 5DAS and Notes is shaken, injured, neurotic, ethical, and has his life bound to a prophecy. Frankly, he's such a changed man that it turns me off him a bit. I forsee the rest of Trilby's life being pretty dull actually, what with the constant nightmares... and the, um, chasing-up of ghost stories. And convincing NASA to blast a box into space. Y'know, tedious stuff.

[Ryu]

Personally I'd love to see more Trilby games, but not related to the XDAS mythos, sort of like some storys of Trilbys previous robberys before 5DAS or mabey the further adventures of trilby, taking place after TN's. It'd be intersing to see the character in a more light hearted adventure affair.

I back that up until the point where you hoped for a game after 6DAS. I think everything interesting in his life after that has already been told. Just his death lies a mystery. But I'm sure he died of old age or swallowed something too big and forgot to chew it first. He's like that, isn't he.

It could be random like those hallucinations from Notes.

Those ultra-creepy hallucinations weren't random. At least none that I got. Tested and tried them a few times and always got the same results. (eg. Drink water + Take pill = Cabbie's cottage)

But I hope that's not the only hallucination-thing in 6DAS. And if it isn't, I would've hoped that Yahtz made them a little "easier" to find. Because I don't think their point is to be well hidden and test if the player gets the trigger right or not, but to scare. And who's scared of something that never happens?

//Oh, and another point of view: My memory might be blurred, but who has ever (in game) actually said that the Trilby in Chzo is OLD. The way I looked at him the first time, I thought he was actually nearly dead. I thought Chzo had drained almost all his life energy and tortured him for who knows how long. He didn't look old to me. He looked dead to me. (Not actually dead, because of the "give life to other Trilboy", but being kept alive by Chzo. That would explain the "you felt that, didn't you?" thing.) Just a thought.

This post has been edited by Ryu: 28 January 2007 - 01:47 AM

[El_Gostro]

When you examine trilby using the avatarized malcom he mentions seeing the wounded trilby looks much more younger and healthier were it not for that little fatal gaping wound.

I think it d suck if the imprisioned trilby was the original one.
Seeing as there was a cowering trilby and the caretaker mentions is t one of those pesky time line circling event anomalies I am inclined to believe he becomes the imprisoned one when malcom becomes once again the avatar.
(Remember the imprisoned fella mentions time doesnt exactly exist for Chzo)

Something that left me wondering though was,that if Cabadath is ultimately to be replaced by Theo and the whole business is Chzo grand plan to get his one true prince thingie,why go trough to repeating the whole thing over and over and over again?
Time not existing doesnt seems to be a good enough excuse

[rippa32]

Those ultra-creepy hallucinations weren't random. At least none that I got. Tested and tried them a few times and always got the same results. (eg. Drink water + Take pill = Cabbie's cottage)

They weren't? oh ok. I knew they came about because of the pills but I thought that was just explanation. I remember the first time I found myself in the cottage, freaked me out real good. So what do you mean by drink water? Are you talking about that regenerative water in the cellar?

[El Presedente]

Something that left me wondering though was,that if Cabadath is ultimately to be replaced by Theo and the whole business is Chzo grand plan to get his one true prince thingie,why go trough to repeating the whole thing over and over and over again?
Time not existing doesnt seems to be a good enough excuse

I don't think its the fact that time dosn't exist for Chzo, its just he perceves it differently. He knows everything thats going to happen from the get go, so he dosn't really have any free will, he's a lot like the caretaker in that he is a slave to destiny. It'd be like me knowing everything thats going to happen and being able to cross the road without being hit by any cars because I know whats going to happen.

At least thats the way I saw it.

[Ryu]

So what do you mean by drink water? Are you talking about that regenerative water in the cellar?

Nah, the trick is that you aren't taking the pills in the "Evil World", so basically if you aren't just messing around you probably won't take any pills in the "Real World". You drink it in the bathroom. You need to be in the nicer side of the hotel to be able to drink in the bathroom in the first place.

[therantinghuman]

//Oh, and another point of view: My memory might be blurred, but who has ever (in game) actually said that the Trilby in Chzo is OLD.

Somerset calls Trilby old. If you talk to Trilby inside Chzo instead of passing him by, Somerset says something along the lines "What happened to you, old man?", to which Trilby lifts up his head and says "I made a powerful enemy".

[SimeSublime]

She just suspects she might have done something out of sequence, like calling on the phone too early directly after the second dream sequence and before seeing Trilby in the storage room.

I saved a game at the start of each day, so I booted it up and gave it a shot. No dice, sorry.

[Blueskirt]

Those ultra-creepy hallucinations weren't random. At least none that I got. Tested and tried them a few times and always got the same results. (eg. Drink water + Take pill = Cabbie's cottage)

Nope. They were completly random. Once you get your pills, just go outside the hotel, take a pill, and repeatedly change to one room to the other at least 10 times, then take a pill again, keep repeating this, eventually you will get all 4 hallucinations plus the "it hurts" one. They might be in a certain order, I'm not sure, but there were no programmed hallucinations. The first time got the Cabbie's cottage hallucination it was after I entered the room where the exposition is.

About whether there could have a Trilby game following the TN's events, just remember Trilby joined the Special Talent Project. I don't think his carreer would end at the end of TN and the rest can be shortened to spending the rest of his life happily living in a villa, raising little Trilbies, and dying from an heart attack while chasing his grand little Trilby in the garden. It can only begins after TN.

This post has been edited by Blueskirt: 28 January 2007 - 10:21 AM

[fabiobit]

Trilby is, to my assessment, the best character Ben ever created. I would like to see other appearances of the gentleman thief, yes, but in a much lighter ambient (before 5DAS).

It's also a chance to develop him further.

[El Presedente]

I'd also like to see the whole magic world expanded upon in later games too, I don't mean all tied up in the whole Chzo story arc but more of a sort of shared universe, I mean if Chzo exists then there must be other tales of similar occurences worth telling.

[fornax]

About whether there could have a Trilby game following the TN's events, just remember Trilby joined the Special Talent Project. I don't think his carreer would end at the end of TN and the rest can be shortened to spending the rest of his life happily living in a villa, raising little Trilbies, and dying from an heart attack while chasing his grand little Trilby in the garden. It can only begins after TN.

That's what I was expecting from 6DAS: some kind of closure on Trilby's personal saga.

- Did he survive the near-death experience in TN or die shortly after?
- Did he ever encounter the Prince again?
- What did the Prince do in all the time between TN and 6DAS, now that he was roaming around the world?
- What happened to Sibhoawhateverhernamewas?
- What happened to the hotel? And the stump?
- Did Trilby continue working for that secret agency, and if so, on what?!?
- How did the idol end up being blasted into space? And when exactly?

Given the back-history introduced in 6DAS there are now even more questions about Trilby's past:

- How did those slasher movies about 5DAS and TN get made? Did Trilby have any input into them?
- How did the order acquire the DeFoe mansion ruins (or was it the ruins of the hotel?)

..and, the million dollar question...

If the DeFoe mansion was above-ground in 5DAS, why was it deep underground in 6DAS?!?

[Don Andy]

That's what I was expecting from 6DAS: some kind of closure on Trilby's personal saga.

- Did he survive the near-death experience in TN or die shortly after?
- Did he ever encounter the Prince again?
- What did the Prince do in all the time between TN and 6DAS, now that he was roaming around the world?
- What happened to Sibhoawhateverhernamewas?
- What happened to the hotel? And the stump?
- Did Trilby continue working for that secret agency, and if so, on what?!?
- How did the idol end up being blasted into space? And when exactly?

Given the back-history introduced in 6DAS there are now even more questions about Trilby's past:

- How did those slasher movies about 5DAS and TN get made? Did Trilby have any input into them?
- How did the order acquire the DeFoe mansion ruins (or was it the ruins of the hotel?)

..and, the million dollar question...

If the DeFoe mansion was above-ground in 5DAS, why was it deep underground in 6DAS?!?

That's exactly the thing I didn't like about 6DAS. It may have been a great game, but it didn't really answer anything, beside the fact that Chzo is really nasty, but we knew that since TN. It jumped like 195 years too far.

Oh, yeah, about the mansion: They didn't acquire it, they just built their "base" around the ruins. How it got that deep under the earth however is beyond me.

Tectonic plate moving or something.

This post has been edited by Don Andy: 28 January 2007 - 06:19 PM

[joshofalltrades]

...Tectonic plate moving or something.

Heh... I like the scientific sound of that.