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#76 User is offline   setasouji Icon

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 05:08 AM

QUOTE (llamaman @ Jan 26 2007, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which if he's supposed to be a reincarnation, or somesuch, that raises further questions.


It's hard to reincarnate when you're not actually dead.


Here's some theories that are NOT correct: Chzo killed the Tall Man due to his annoying habit of bringing in dead Trilbies and leaving them lying all over the place. The final straw came with the Tall Man's umpteenth performance of "Cabadath the Amazing Ventriloquist and his friend Lenkmann", despite the fact the Tall Man can't talk. In a fit of pique, Chzo threw Lenkmann out a portal in time and space and then used his ability to view all time at once to arrange Cabadath's destruction.

Somerset lost all his hair because magic is radioactive. Trilby died from a combination of the radiation and overdosing on those pills.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 05:35 AM

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That fake religion? Is it a play on Scientology? It sounds like it o_o


I haven't finished the game yet, but I have to agree here - especially after watching that South Park episode just a few weeks ago! biggrin.gif
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:26 AM

I have a pretty wild theory on why Chzo replaced the Prince.
It's still a little sketchy, so don't bash me if something isn't right. Rather correct me.

Chzo captured Cabadath because was a real delicacy for him. I mean, being a hulking mountain of flesh and a well known god of pain, it probably doesn't happen very often, that a human steps right into his domain. Especially not from the realm of technology. So he used the opportunity and locked him right into a tree, to make his pain last really, really long. I think the whole liche thing was more of a side-effect than really wished by Chzo. Afterall, Chzo still is just some kind of animal, even if very, very powerful. But then the tree got cut down. This must've been a whole lot of pain for Cabadath, too, so yummy for Chzo. This contiuned, with his tree being used for all kind of stuff. The Unicorn, the hapsichord, the crate, and finally the idol. Each time Chzo could feed on Cabadath's pain. Additionally, on every 28th July, the only time he actually could, he let Cabadath out to slay the users of the wood in a most painful matter. More yummy for Chzo.

Also, we could see, that Cabadath was kind of "playing" with his prey. He didn't just walk in, killed them and walked out again. For the lumberjack, it took the stone of the child to actually make him stop. In the Unicorn, he first set the inn-keeper on fire, and lured Somerset down before killing him off. Then he tricked Frehorn into killing his lover Wilbur, while playing on the Hapsichord (pain of Soul, special yummy for Chzo). On the ship, it took the "interference" of Mbouta before Cabadath actually stopped slashing around in the corpse (maybe he even was still alive) of the captain.

So each of them was killed in a really painful manner. But the day he was kind of hold back by Chzo before killing Frehorn (seeing that Cabadath still had some kind of free will, he surely would've killed Frehorn, too, if Chzo let him), Cabadath realized something wasn't right and started plotting for himself. Then, in the hotel, Cabadath wasn't just influenced by Chzo anymore. Also John DeFoe was now nagging on him. He even tried to kill Trilby for the first time (when he was in Siobhan's room), probably trying to protect John (afteall, being trapped in a part of his wood, he kind of became child to him, just like Cabadath became to Chzo, in a really, really twisted way). Then, when he had crossed over in the realm of technology he finally could think clear again, since Chzos influence was weakened through the absence of magick. He realized, that the whole religion Chzo created could only be a hoax and now set his own plans into motion.

Chzo on the other hand, knew, that with the tree basically reduced to shavings, he wouldn't get as much pain out of Cabadath as he used to. And as we can see on the way he killed the Trilbies (short and effective) he didn't deliever Chzo anymore pain that way either. Since Chzo isn't really bond to the conception of time, he of course knew the outcome of this from the beginning. Just Cabadath didn't. So as the Cult slowly build up around the ruins of DeFoe Manor, Cabadath still helped the cult (he just used the Cult at that moment, just as much as Chzo did), since he still only wanted the best for his "child". But as soon as he realized they we're using Trilby's blood for clones (I'm pretty sure being imprisoned like 99% of the time and only let out once every year, Cabadath wasn't that much of an expert on technology. He probably just assumed they needed his blood for a ritual.) he started acting against the cult. And at this moment the cult left the facility and only left the cast of 6 Days. You know the rest. He tried to kill the Trilbies, so John DeFoe could spread. With John DeFoe being a part of him, the places where he spreaded were going to be his own personal lair. So far he always was imprisoned by Chzo. Now he had the chance to get his own Kingdom, without the influence of Chzo. But Chzo was clearly acting against the plans of destiny (I think Somerset became just as much a prince as Cabadath, only that Somerset became the prince of destiny and Cabadath the prince of pain, I believe "Destiny" is just as much an entitiy as Chzo is), so the caretake interfered and made the whole place go boom. At this instance, the bridge was there and Chzo got all he wanted. He got Cabadath back, he got Dacabe and he got Trilby as bonus.

After that he took all the powers he granted Cabadath (who doesn't say anything, but you still can see that he's pretty pissed, imo) and gives them to Dacabe. That moment, when Cabadath points at Dacabe, you can almost hear him saying "Are you kiddin me?" and then he gets slain of by Dacabe. Dacabe being his new "eternal" source of pain.

So, that's my take on the story. I know I left out a whole lot, and pretty much left out the significance of Trilby in the whole thing, but as I said, it's still pretty sketchy. Feel free to correct me.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:29 AM

QUOTE (staredcraft @ Jan 25 2007, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All this time the Tall Man had no idea what was going on UNTIL the last moment, because after the New Prince is born you see him look at Chzo and point at his replacement in a "WHAT IS THIS" manner.


Why not "WHAT IS THAT SHIT YOU'RE REPLACING ME WITH" manner?

@Don Andy, I really like your theory, but I feel like something is missing somehow :S
Maybe I'll play the whole series again and figure it out.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:13 AM

QUOTE (invalid @ Jan 26 2007, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Don Andy, I really like your theory, but I feel like something is missing somehow :S
Maybe I'll play the whole series again and figure it out.


I know what you mean, I had the same feeling at a few points while writing this. Can't quite put my finger on it though. But that's why I wrote it's still a bit "sketchy".
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:28 AM

First of all, I just wanted to point out my awesomeness; I haven't checked fullyramblomatic in what? Two months? The day it's released I thought, "Hey, I wonder if the last game has been released!". And, obviously, it had. I realize you couldn't care less, but still.

Game was good, but in all honesty it's my least favorite of the series. That still means I like 6DAS, because I loved the other three. God I was scared when I played TN.
The first disappointment was that I wasn't playing as Trilby, which I'd hoped for. And then, Trilby's role in this game. It broke my heart to see him like that! Other than that, the game just confused me. I suck at remembering details, and I haven't played 5DAS and 7DAS in ages. So yes, this game left me confused rather than answering previous questions. Reading this topic helped clearing out some things for me though. Thanks guys biggrin.gif

Horror games scare the living shit out of me, even when I play in daylight (only if I have sound on though). This game didn't scare me, which really surprised me. Maybe this means that some day I'll be able to play Fatal Frame and Silent Hill. Or maybe it just means this game wasn't really scary.


QUOTE (invalid @ Jan 26 2007, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why not "WHAT IS THAT SHIT YOU'RE REPLACING ME WITH" manner?


For some reason I saw it as Cabadath (did I spell his name right?) going "What? No, I didn't do it! It was him!", as if Cabadath and The New Prince were brothers, and Chzo was their parent. Though somehow I doubt it was like that.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:30 AM

To Don Andy

I really enjoyed it. It made sense. Although like you said trilby wasn't mentioned alot, and nor was he during 6DAS anyway apart from the clones.

By the way whos in your avatar?

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:59 AM

Just finished it. If my manager finds out, I'll be in trouble. tongue.gif

QUOTE (David-kyo @ Jan 25 2007, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your explanations cleared up a few things though, kind of reminds me of the ending of Final Fantasy VIII now.

... huh.gif ... lemme think... no. Definitely no.

QUOTE (David-kyo @ Jan 26 2007, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wouldn't read too much into the balding process. I've heard of people losing their hair when they have great traumas, but this is a literal interpretation, mind you.

I've seen people becoming almost completely bald in a year. At the age of nineteen. Hah. Hahaheh. Hurrrhrrrrhrrrr. I think I should stop this surpressed giggling, or that Fester Shinetop-lookalike colleague of mine might come over here and hit me.

QUOTE (setasouji @ Jan 26 2007, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's some theories that are NOT correct: Chzo killed the Tall Man due to his annoying habit of bringing in dead Trilbies and leaving them lying all over the place. The final straw came with the Tall Man's umpteenth performance of "Cabadath the Amazing Ventriloquist and his friend Lenkmann", despite the fact the Tall Man can't talk. In a fit of pique, Chzo threw Lenkmann out a portal in time and space and then used his ability to view all time at once to arrange Cabadath's destruction.

Somerset lost all his hair because magic is radioactive. Trilby died from a combination of the radiation and overdosing on those pills.

I prefer your version to all that other stuff about pain and agony and having way too much fun with repeatedly killing off Trilby clones. Yup~yup, I do.

Well now, I could join you playing philosophers, but I don't wanna, so I'll just say this:

Goodleedoo~, me liked that game plenty much, 7 Days a Skeptic is still my favorite though.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 09:00 AM

QUOTE (Death Chocolate @ Jan 26 2007, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For some reason I saw it as Cabadath (did I spell his name right?) going "What? No, I didn't do it! It was him!", as if Cabadath and The New Prince were brothers, and Chzo was their parent. Though somehow I doubt it was like that.


You know, this actually reminded me of something. We also saw this kind of childish behavior from Cabadath before, in the "dream" scene (which probably wasn't a dream afterall) just when Dacabe leaves the medical room after Sam died. Where the hurt Dacabe that turns out to be Cabadath and tries to kill the real one, which is suddenly unhurt, and then the caretaker warps him back into the medical room.

I guess in that scene Cabadath already knew what was going on, and that Dacabe was already going to replace him, so he tried to be him, just like a child trying to get the praise of his father by pretending to be someone else.

Oh and @rippa32:
That's Kurotsuchi Mayuri from the anime Bleach.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 09:05 AM

Just finished.
All I've got to say is, WOW. This has got to be the best series I've ever played. It's always got you on you're toes and got you thinking throughout the entire thing - which is the best thing an adventure game can offer. Truly loved it.
It's sad to know that 6DAS is the last of the series, but at the same time it's great since Yahtzee can work on more projects (hopefully horror) and finally put this series to rest before it had a chance to get old.

"A" fucking "++" !

Last night I played for a bit and was in the middle of Day Four when I saved and quit. I opened up 5DAS and played that for a while which I haven't played since the follow-ups. After playing the rest of the games, playing 5DAS again brings on a whole new atmosphere - it's incredible how it made me feel... it was more EERIE and draws you in a bit more. It's hard to explain since I'm an idiot when it comes to words wink.gif

But anyway, I plan on playing all of them again. And most likely again after that smile.gif

Thank you, Yahtzee, for one hell of an experience.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 09:08 AM

Mmm it sorta makes sense. However I still can't see the tall man as being childish.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 09:33 AM

QUOTE (Don Andy @ Jan 26 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, this actually reminded me of something. We also saw this kind of childish behavior from Cabadath before, in the "dream" scene (which probably wasn't a dream afterall) just when Dacabe leaves the medical room after Sam died. Where the hurt Dacabe that turns out to be Cabadath and tries to kill the real one, which is suddenly unhurt, and then the caretaker warps him back into the medical room.

I guess in that scene Cabadath already knew what was going on, and that Dacabe was already going to replace him, so he tried to be him, just like a child trying to get the praise of his father by pretending to be someone else.



Huh. In that case, I can see why Chzo replaced him. I mean, I wouldn't want a Prince who acted like some whiny little kid >_> So I guess that answes the question some have been asking?
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 09:39 AM

As it hasn't been mentioned yet, I feel I should add that I loved the twist at the end. When the bomb went off, I assumed at first it was just another nightmare or something. I never expected it to turn out like it did.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 10:31 AM

Yes, that was insane, I loved that. I felt so bad for Decabe after he realized it was going to explode... jumping to the ground and curling into a ball... yikes. The next scene with the falling debres ... it was beautiful smile.gif

I think I'll reload and watch it again...

I'm a big fan of ending credits and how people do them in their games (pictures of characters, snap-shots from the game) and I absolutely loved this one the best. Trilbys Notes was good to, but this one was great.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE (Jusal @ Jan 25 2007, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About the Welder and the Prince interacting.

I think that Tall Man was somehow possessing John's father as the poor boy was killed with the idol. "Possessing" or whatever. If I recall the TN flashback in question right.


I've been thinking about the same thing, hmm.
Something is not right though.
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