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#211 User is offline   Dark_Sith Icon

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 04:15 PM

I think your reasoning for hating these Prequel movies are blown way out of porportion. Some of them are meaningless. While I can see some of them as being a problem. The other's are just pointless.

Edit: If you guys hate the prequels so much, why do you have a freakin' countdown clock?

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE (Dark_Sith @ May 16 2005, 04:15 PM)
I think your reasoning for hating these Prequel movies are blown way out of porportion. Some of them are meaningless. While I can see some of them as being a problem. The other's are just pointless.


That's not exactly more specific. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 04:19 PM

I can see you want me to give examples...alright then, I will.

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Anakin built C-3P0
I will not accept that fact that Anakin built C-3P0. I won't do it. You can torture me in a scene reminiscent of the finale in Braveheart and I will cry out "Freedom!" rather than admit to this horse shit. Anakin simply didn't build C-3P0, end of story. Anakin says that he's good at building things. I'll believe that. My friend's nine-year old son used to build stuff and wire up all the home electronics. That I'll believe. Anakin built a Pod Racer. I will even believe that. I will entertain the notion that he may have put C-3P0 together using an "Assemble Your Own Robot" home kit but I doubt that they give those away to slave boys. I have one simple defense to prove that he didn't build C-3P0: Anakin Skywalker--the ten year old boy--does not know 6,000,000 forms of communication. Does Anakin Skywalker have experience with binary loadlifters? No. We know that C-3P0 does. Does Anakin Skywalker know how to speak Ewok? I doubt it. C-3P0 can. Does Anakin Skywalker know how to understand moisture vaporators? Probably not since he's not a machine (yet). The only language (other than the main language that they speak [which Lucas would probably call "English]) that Anakin knows is Huttese. I'll accept the fact that maybe he was lying to try to impress Padme in hopes that she would sleep with him. I hope that's what it was because otherwise I'm very upset with this turn of events.


Doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. Anakin did build C3PO. How do you know he does know all these languages? Hmmm...I mean nothing says it anywhere that he does or does not know all these languages. You can't say he doesn't when your point here is not fact. Only opinion. In fact. All of your reasons for hating the Prequels are merely opinions. They aren't facts. It's just opinions. Nothing about your reasons would have to be true. It's just your opinion and just because the flwas are there, doesn't mean everyone has to accept it and hate the movie right away. You can't force people to tkae your opinions as facts.

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 05:41 PM

That's the whole bloody point! We freely admit that these are our opinions and not facts, and we don't 'force people to take them as facts'... We are entitled to our opinions as you are to yours. That's the whole point of a forum.

"I think your reasoning for hating these Prequel movies are blown way out of porportion. Some of them are meaningless. While I can see some of them as being a problem. The other's are just pointless."
That's your opinion and you've expressed it... which is fine.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 06:58 PM

Since Darth Sith isn't capable of putting into words what problems he has I'll do it for 'im (or her)...

BTW- I think Chefelf's list is overall great. LOTS of problems he caught but I do see flaws in his list.
Here's just a take from Epi. I

#8-Your complaint is that you don’t like the silly modern phrases like ‘exqueeze’ me. That’s cool, and I agree with you, but first you say that you do like it in Xena?
That doesn’t makes sense to me.
I can’t call you ‘wrong’ but it seems inconsistent and you don’t mention why it’s not. Both are action fantasy.

Thought you shoulda’ mentioned how that 2-headed announcer did that funky, ‘Go Annie, Go Annie’ move. That was much sadder to me.

#13-I think a big monster fish could go after their ship. Wouldn’t you consider their ship like a shiny metal fishing lure? I would.

#14- Yeah technically the line "there’s always a bigger fish" is false but he was just using it as a saying.
You could have hit this scene by noting how it was dumb that Qui-Gon seemed to ‘expect’ that ‘bigger fish’ for no reason at all.

#19- Just personally I think Maul (while yes a cartoon name) looked cool. The actor’s real martial art ability was great IMO -though it spotlighted the fact that Ewan and Liam can’t do moves like that at all so made Jedi Knights look retarded.

The two Jedi on one Sith IMO should have been avoided too by altering the story so Obi-Wan was doing something else while QuiGon took on Maul and got whacked.


#22- Watto was a crude annoying cartoon character. It fit that he’d mis-pronounce the word Nabooian.
Your point that it’s wrong in the script too is a point but doesn’t flaw the movie so irrelevant.

#24- force-proof heads IS dumb but if you didn’t complain when we saw Jabba in RotJ block Luke’s powers then I’d say your complaint is unfair.
I don’t think many people did have a problem with Jabba blocking Luke’s mind tricks.

Just made the Jedi look extra dumb again by Qui-Gon trying to con this dude into fixing his car for free 'cuz he forgot his checkbook when his ride broke down in the ghetto. CHEAP.

#30- I think IF you have slaves in SW (which is ridiculous on it’s own after 1000 years of peace with the Jedi watching over the galaxy) then I think them having chips in their heads to keep them from running away does make sense. They can’t remove them like a bracelet or anything extrenal.

The whole slave Annie and mom was awful though.

#39- You just say you don’t like the two-headed announcer. Add an explanation like my comment from #8 above and you’d save this point.

#42-“-“Any Star Wars fan worth their weight knows that "poodoo" is Huttese for "fodder".
I didn’t. Where is this translated in any of the films?
I thought it meant ‘shit’. It seems that’s actually what it means in this and your same point in Epi II’s list.
You’d fix this point if you just said it sound childish ‘cuz that’s perfectly true.

#44- Is a valid point but it shouldn’t count as it’s the same point as #39.

You mention Jar Jar’s problems several times too. Debatable, but I think it’s not quite fair to count them as multiple points.

#48-You don’t list anything you don’t like so it doesn’t count. There’s an asterisk there but I couldn’t find anywhere that said what that asterisk meant. I appears that it’s ‘stuff you like’ so you know they’re not problems.

#51- Again it’s something you say you like so not a valid problem. Another asterisk.

#62- You complain about Palpatine being the Sith is not a mystery ‘cuz you already know. Kinda valid, but then it’s not for someone seeing these from the beginning.
But seeing them from the beginning ruins the shock in V that Vader says he’s Luke’s father.

And am I the only kid who DIDN’T BELIEVE VADER in V and waited for VI to see if it was really true!?

#66- Mobile Holograms.
R2-D2 was in a sense the same thing in IV taking Leia’s message to Crazy ‘Ol Ben. These rich trade dorks having a mobile droid that was like a hands-free cell phone seemed ‘ok’ to me. Plenty of other crap to complain about though.

#67- Droids with binoculars. Dumb looking droids. Silly, but I wouldn’t expect all droids (and they were all mass porduced identical) to have more costly zoom vision so you just give some programed to lead groups binoculars so the have those ‘upgraded’ optics. Yeah... still awful.

#69-again another positive not negative point so it doesn’t count as a reason to hate. No idea at all why you have these in there.

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 12:53 AM

My biggest question was why the hell couldn't Obi Wan and Qui Gon free Anakins mother too? So lame, so, so lame.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:39 AM

Watto didn`t want to sell her!

The Jedi have to follow Code and Law, Tatooine is not in the Republic, slavery is legal!

And the fact that some slaves aren`t treated so badly is not unrealistic, do you know that Emperor`s slave could have a great power in ancient Rome?

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:09 AM

One of the reasons that seems so wrong( most of them are just nitpicking, though with few I agree):

Chefelf, you say that Palpatine was no surprise, so you didn`t like this plot!

But what with people who watch the Saga for the first time?! How sellfish of you, isn`t it?
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:24 AM

as for shmi not being freed, i think its a lame and weakpart of the story. but i tell myself that qui-gon and shmi talked it over. qui-gon told her that he had no legal right to take her from watto (who wouldnt sell her at the time anyway). and shmi was afraid of a new life of freedom,(something she knew nothing of). she says her self that her place, her future, are on tattooine. she tells annie not to look back. qui-gon asks her if she will need anything and she shrugs and says no. thats how i justify it to myself, but again, its weak.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:31 PM

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#8-Your complaint is that you don’t like the silly modern phrases like ‘exqueeze’ me. That’s cool, and I agree with you, but first you say that you do like it in Xena?
That doesn’t makes sense to me.

XENA was "camp." STAR WARS didn't used to be. Look up "camp" if you need to.

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#24- force-proof heads IS dumb but if you didn’t complain when we saw Jabba in RotJ block Luke’s powers then I’d say your complaint is unfair.
I don’t think many people did have a problem with Jabba blocking Luke’s mind tricks.

I think we all took it to mean that Jabba was nor "weak minded," which was consistent with what Obi-Wan had said about Force manipulation in STAR WARS. Watto's answer for being Force-proof is that he's racially immune. This is dumb.

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Just made the Jedi look extra dumb again by Qui-Gon trying to con this dude into fixing his car for free 'cuz he forgot his checkbook when his ride broke down in the ghetto. CHEAP.

Please look up everything everyone here has ever said about the entire motivation for the pod race - beginning with a Federation of 1000000 planets having a common currency that cannot be used in trade just outside its border - as so ridiculous it doesn't even bear talking about.

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#30- I think IF you have slaves in SW (which is ridiculous on it’s own after 1000 years of peace with the Jedi watching over the galaxy) then I think them having chips in their heads to keep them from running away does make sense. They can’t remove them like a bracelet or anything extrenal.

This is more of the whole lousy motivation for the pod race - Lucas started with the race and worked backwards. The exploding heads gag is the icing on a big fat shitcake.

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#39- You just say you don’t like the two-headed announcer. Add an explanation like my comment from #8 above and you’d save this point.

See point #8 above, as well.

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#42-“-“Any Star Wars fan worth their weight knows that "poodoo" is Huttese for "fodder".
I didn’t. Where is this translated in any of the films?

In the subtitles, in JEDI, when Jabba says it.

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And am I the only kid who DIDN’T BELIEVE VADER in V and waited for VI to see if it was really true!?

Yes. Vader lying makes the whole conflict etween Luke and Vader dramatically insignificant. Even though Lucas didn't know what to do with this news, Vader's revelation, like Spock's death in WRATH OF KHAN, is powerful and important - and immediately made stupid one film later.

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#67- Droids with binoculars. Dumb looking droids. Silly, but I wouldn’t expect all droids (and they were all mass porduced identical) to have more costly zoom vision so you just give some programed to lead groups binoculars so the have those ‘upgraded’ optics. Yeah... still awful.

No. That's idiotic. "zoom vison" would cost about $100 if they added it today, and one of those droids woould cost about $2.5 Million. I'm sorry; I didn't mean idiotic, but you're really just waffling, even if you admit your heart isn't in it. The binoculars are really stupid.

A lot of your points require that I have the list in front of me, and I don't, but I generally agree with Chefelf that the chief problem with this film is that the OT films - and most movies - have about a half-dozen problems each, while the PT films are as ridiculous and flawed as VAN HELSING.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 03:54 PM

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You say Xena was camp. I don't know. I saw 2 minutes of it once and thought it was just cheap crappy action show.
You may be right that Chefelf is of the same opinion.

My point stands though that since he didn't actually 'say that' then his point is not made in his list.

I tried to make that clear. Many of my nitpicks relate to that same idea of him just not explaining his points.

Ok... now that you mention it I think I recall 'poodoo' whatever being subtitled.
Clearly it's meant to be 'shit' though and 'fodder' is more a PG/kiddie bad translation.

I mean 'poo' and 'doo' like doo-doo. It's totally moronic and childish and obvious without translation that it means 'shit'.
And as I said... then it makes Chefelf's points invalid.

He could then make the point I just made about the Jabba thing being a stupid translation of what the fake word obviously means.

I seriously think I was NOT the only kid who didn't believe the evil villian Vader when he said he was Luke's father.

I mean.... LUKE didn't believe him either!

"-Vader lying makes the whole conflict etween Luke and Vader dramatically insignificant.-"

Hell no it didn't. As a kid I was dying to see RotJ to find out for sure if he really was his father. That was very dramatic!

Now if Yoda and Obi-Wan were like 'Naww.... he was just shittin' ya kid' then it would have been crappily written let down, but there were ways to have made it not true AND not just some dumb lie.

"-zoom vison" would cost about $100 if they added it today, and one of those droids woould cost about $2.5 Million.-"

Your fictional numbers don't make any kind of case at all. Very poor try on that one.

"-A lot of your points require that I have the list in front of me,-"

Uh... great. And you call my one of my points idiotic? Oh... you took it back. Right. Why not just DELETE it instead of pretending to say sorry after you insult me? 'Cuz you meant it that's why.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:17 PM

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:36 AM

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 04:01 PM

Here's a general observation about the entire series: Was Albert Einstein wrong? According to the theory of relativity, time moves slower as a body moves faster, to the point where time stops once light speed is reached. Hyperspace is faster than light ("She'll make point five past light speed," said Han in Episode IV) so shouldn't the relative time of people in hyperspace move backwards? Shouldn't they arrive at their destination younger than when they started?

A friend of mine whose aunt works for LucasArts explained that Lucas' official explanation is something along the lines of "Since it takes place in a galaxy far, far away, the laws of physics from our galaxy don't all apply." What a cop-out explanation for failing to take that concept into consideration.
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 10:09 PM

I have to admit, I have not seen the OT in some time, but I always had some thought that of course Vader knew Luke was his son, but he was forced to maintain the fiction that he was unaware so that he could selfishly attempt to *reach* him first and convert him rather than author his destruction. This would explain the comments above, but, I admit, there could be others I forget that this explanation would not mesh with.

Also, the idea that Vader would not immediately assume Luke "Skywalker" is his son is not so absurd -- Vader is the most famous man in the galaxy after the Emperor and his last name is Skywalker, not so crazy that some rebel on his old planet would assume the name out of grandoisity or spite. . .
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