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#16 User is offline   David-kyo Icon

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 07:42 AM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Jan 14 2007, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you're a Christian then you believe that God will destroy the planet (who cares he'll build a new one). If you're an atheist then you believe that the world will die from global warming. Either way the world is going to die.

I disagree with you there. I think I've already mentioned before that I believe this world has had much bigger threats to cope with than us, puny humans. During its 4.6 billion years, Earth has gone through a lot of disasters that surpass whatever threat we could represent, for instance, the meteor showers that wiped out the dinosaurs and all. After a while, Earth healed itself, then we came. Nature always finds a way to cope with its problems (ie. a virus that weakens our immune system, then...?). After we've been done away with, the same cycle will occur again. Good old Sol. 3 should still be habitable for another 4 billion years.

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 01:03 PM

Habitable to what, though?

And we don't need to ruin the ecosystems. The problem is that Western culture is based off of endless consumption and perpetuating itself until everyone believes there's no other way so that those benefiting from said consumption need not have any ideological battles against anyone telling them that they should stop perpetual expansion and material-good worship.

Someone needs to say to the entire planet "We don't need endless growth! We can get by with a positive stasis that needs not be stagnant or the military industrial complex." And since the more industrialized, manufacturing-consuming nations produce most of the pollution in the world, just cutting back by North America and Europe will reduce pollution by at least 25% according to that statistic noted earlier, which is a big step and might just give the Earth a chance to recover a little bit from the excess pollution we dump into it.

Will people deny that global warming... excuse me, "climate change" exists when Greenland becomes a tropical resort, or will we just not care because we'll have a bigger tourism industry there?
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 01:28 PM

And how about China? From the last I saw their pollutions laws are so weak even volunteers clean out the rivers. I wouldn't worry so much about the climate getting warmer compared to being poisoned by something that makes it even extreme.

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 02:39 PM

While I understand that human stupidity and selfishness indeed causes a lot of damage, they are, perhaps, not the cause of 100% of the climate changes. I'm not an expert, but from what I've heard, quite drastic changes in the climate may occur occasionally. Think of the Ice Age, for example, that can hardly be blamed on the cavemen.

For the record, I'm not saying people should go on doing bugger all about the situation as they are now, I'm just pointing out that there are other factors to be taken into consideration. If, hypothetically, all the humans would turn into tree-hugging hippies all of a sudden (by the doing of some funny virus that makes your nature-loving genes dominant or whatever), it would still not solve all of our environmental issues, and would also give way to economical ones.

And as we all know, severe economical problems always lead to war wink.gif so let's not bullshit ourselves with the hope of evolution of the human mentality.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 07:45 PM

The US has abused the planet, but is trying (poorly) to make up for that. We do try to restrict pollution a fair amount. On the other hand, China is trying to rape the planet to death as quickly as possible. I've talked to a number of people who have been around (mainly heavy travellers who have seen much of the US in addition to Mexico and China), and they agree that the US is not the biggest offender here. Large portions of China never clear from perpetual clouds of smoke that make our smog look like cigarette smoke.

Problem is, how else can we let "developing" countries develop without cheap, low-tech, and high polluting energy sources? Not to mention, China is hardly a developing country any more. The Chinese engage in rampant abuse of human freedom, use what counts as slave labor, and give nuclear technology to countries with unstable leadership.

Come to think of it, so does the US. We arrest Arab-Americans for breathing, do our best to ensure an undereducated working class, and send every kind of military aid up to nukes to Israel. Hmm...
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 09:32 PM

If you're so upset about civil rights abuses in Chinese industry, stop

a ) buying products made in China;

b ) buying locally-made products from stores that also stock products made in China;

c ) assuming that any change in your personal shopping habits will be meaningless; and

d ) assuming that businesses in your own country (eg Wal-Mart) did not play some part in the way products in China are produced.

While you're at it, you could let as many people as possible know about your new buying practices, including the companies you no longer tolerate. If you can word it strongly enough, it may be convincing or newsworthy.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 10:52 AM

Aren't cows' belches responsible for more methane gas than automobiles? But nobody wants to give up their steak.

But we can all agree that the USA is responsible for the world's ills. I find it comforting that at least everyone can agree on something. smile.gif

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 05:57 PM

Correction: We're responsible for 25% of the world's ills. tongue.gif

Pig and chicken feces are a big pollution problem, and there are more gasses that contribute to increased greenhouse effects than methane. So... Overbreeding animals to feed an ever-increasing population creates a large strain on ecosystems due to their waste, but I think your first statement is a little bit fallicious.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 06:50 PM

My geology teacher also told me that livestock and other large animals' flatulence does contribute more to greenhouse gases than you'd think. I think he said moreso than cars and stuff, but I don't remember exactly, so I'm not going to put that out there as fact. Someone else can look that tidbit up. tongue.gif
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 07:45 PM

The mentioning of over breeding, a couple of weeks ago I came across this:

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WHAT'S YOUR POISON?
When animals are slaughtered, meat can be contaminated with gut contents, faeces and urine, leading to bacterial infetion. In an attempt to counteract infection in their animals, farmers routinely inject them with doses of antibiotics. These, in addition to growth-promoting hormone drugs and pesticide residues in their feed, build up in the animals' tissues and can furter damage the health of people on a meat-based diet.

FIFTY ACRES EVERY MINUTE
EVERY year an area of rainforest the size of Britain is cut down or defoliated, and burnt. Globally, one billion people depend on water flowing from these forests, which soak up rain and release it
gradually. The disaster in Ethiopia and Sudan is at leastpartly due to uncontrolled deforestation. In Amazonia - where there are now about 100,000 beef ranches - torrential rains sweep down through the treeless valleys, eroding the land and washing away the soil. The bare earth, baked by the tropical sun, becoms useless for agriculture. It has been estimated that this destruction causes at least one species of animal, plant or insect to become extinct every few hours.

McDonald's require that their "fresh lettuce leaf", for example, is treated with twelve different chemicals just to keep it the right colour at the right crispness for th right length of time. It might as well be a bit of plastic.

http://www.mcspotlig.../factsheet.html


Global Warming on people:

Even though I use to be contented with take aways from these places with feeling ill after due to the misleading tastes I always questioned why they used throw away packaging instead of plates and cups. That is one sign of wastefullness. As for the food the more knowledge I learn the more miserable I become. This is not a lesson I learn there. Long term effects from the chemicals and hormone drugs are what concerns me. To exploit children with decorations and toys into eating decorative junk with throw away materials, I see this as a scam and to the environment.

It is similar to taking sweets of a stranger only to have your health kidnapped without knowing. - McDonald's Clown. The effects could take a long while to show with the growth hormones fed to the animals.

With the amount of people going to McDonalds now I wonder how much of waste is generate from the recyclable resources and inks. If they used plates twenty years ago a lot of trees could be saved.

Take a read of the full article. I know this is twenty years old which proves those points of what was happening then but after reading the entire article I think Mcdonalds qualifies as a culprit to global warming who agrees?

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 06:40 PM

it's funny...

in the 1980s Al Gore aided the moral majority in "protecting" the youth from the "danger" of heavy metal. Now the moral majority are trying to protect the youth from him.
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Posted 19 February 2007 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE (barend @ Jan 30 2007, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it's funny...

in the 1980s Al Gore aided the moral majority in "protecting" the youth from the "danger" of heavy metal. Now the moral majority are trying to protect the youth from him.


Hah hah. Nice.

But you do have to give him credit for bringing to light a very serious issue that endangers us all.


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Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:20 PM

And a bush getter for the environment.
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Posted 23 February 2007 - 12:51 PM

Someone (I believe it was Michel Chrichton. I will dig out the reference in a second... here it is http://www.sitewave....s/s49p1521.htm) stated that environmentalism is really sort of modern religion.

I am not so sure about this global warming hyps. Last winter in my region there were record low temperatures for about 10 days in a row in January. Nobody spoke of global warming back then, it seemed rather out of place when it was minus 30 for 10 days. This year, however, we had no snow and very mild January, global warming is back in full swing media hype. No sooner, however, than some newspaper announced that in 50 years there will be no snow at all, than the snow fell the very next day paralysing half of the country.

A week after than half an in of snow fell in London, which resulted in article in Guardian stating, as the global warming progresses, there may acutally be more snow...

So cheer up folks. Early Christians also waited for return of the Christ, which was to happen within a generation's lifetime... just as we are waiting for the doomsday catastorphe when sea level rises and drowns half Europe, hurricanes turn America to ruing and Africa turns to desert. BUt it may not happen, you see. Here is a good rebuttal of global warming:

http://www.sitewave....ws/s49p1523.htm
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Posted 23 February 2007 - 02:35 PM

Heya MC, had to post here cuz I hadnt seen you in a while. PM me sometime or stop by the Jelly Pufflemur forums, it's great to see you're still around.

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