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He was asking questions you postwhore, I don't think he was after your handshakes.
Wedge: I can address only your third question: there's supposed to be a less ambiguous ending in the Special Edition version, which, I guess, explains Chzo's motivations as well. Don't have a credit card yet, so I'll have to wait for that. What we think might be close to the truth is that he wanted an infinite source of pain by getting John DeFoe into his own universe, as he sees time as one. So he used some kind of loophole and fucked over a bunch of stupid cultists in the process. I like to think DaCabe died in the explosion and what went over has nothing more to do with him.
Also, we've got this spoiler thread which has some interesting theories.
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Posted 28 September 2007 - 03:33 PM
It's a real shame that Chzo Mythos had to come to an end =(
All the loose ends are tied so there couldn't possibly be another game... *sigh*
These games are so good... Maybe in the future, they will be remastered?
All the loose ends are tied so there couldn't possibly be another game... *sigh*
These games are so good... Maybe in the future, they will be remastered?
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 04:41 PM
OMG!!! MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!
I think that theory is a paradoxon. How can Chzo take John DeFoe into his own universe? Only with his destruction the bridge can be opened between the worlds, and if he is destroyed, Chzo can't take him anywhere. And he didn't plan a scheme, so big, to get an eternal pain source. His not an animal, who only thinks about eating.
What I can piece together from the forums, and the game's story is that the people in the Magickal Realm was afraid of Chzo. They're threatened his existence, because maybe there are ways to finish him off. So he deceided to make a gurad.
He couldn't do anything in the Magickal Realm, because he didn't wanted the people to be suspicious. So he needed a connection to the Technological Realm - Cabadath.
He tormented the druid and when his mind was broken, he was a blind slave. Chzo let him to punish those who tormented his soul tree. He saw the journey of the tree's wood, and where is it going to be - DeFoe Manor.
He finally found John DeFoe who was tormented from his childhood. He was killed by the idol of Cabadath so he become the bridgekeeper.
Chzo only had left alive Samantha, Janin, and Canning, because they're needed to purify Dacabe through pain.
John DeFoe was completely destroyed but his clothes were taken from the manifestating world into reality. I think they held the "memory" of the killings, like the objects in Trilby's Notes. Everyone who was killed by DeFoe, his/her blood was splattered on the apron and mask. That's the answer to the hallucination with the 7DAS box at the end of 6DAS - Dacabe saw what is going to happen with those who were killed by the assailant weilding the apron.
So Chzo had Dacabe, who's three aspects were utterly broken and the Welder's suit with the memory of the killings (and maybe magical power, and pain to feed on).
I think Dacabe was better than Cabadath, for Chzo, because he suffered much more in his life, and he didn't wanted it. He was also more courtly than Cabadath (he was arrogant). Alson Cabadath had a major weakness - the idol.
I think that clears out the picture a little, Trilby. Phew! G'night!
I think that theory is a paradoxon. How can Chzo take John DeFoe into his own universe? Only with his destruction the bridge can be opened between the worlds, and if he is destroyed, Chzo can't take him anywhere. And he didn't plan a scheme, so big, to get an eternal pain source. His not an animal, who only thinks about eating.
What I can piece together from the forums, and the game's story is that the people in the Magickal Realm was afraid of Chzo. They're threatened his existence, because maybe there are ways to finish him off. So he deceided to make a gurad.
He couldn't do anything in the Magickal Realm, because he didn't wanted the people to be suspicious. So he needed a connection to the Technological Realm - Cabadath.
He tormented the druid and when his mind was broken, he was a blind slave. Chzo let him to punish those who tormented his soul tree. He saw the journey of the tree's wood, and where is it going to be - DeFoe Manor.
He finally found John DeFoe who was tormented from his childhood. He was killed by the idol of Cabadath so he become the bridgekeeper.
Chzo only had left alive Samantha, Janin, and Canning, because they're needed to purify Dacabe through pain.
John DeFoe was completely destroyed but his clothes were taken from the manifestating world into reality. I think they held the "memory" of the killings, like the objects in Trilby's Notes. Everyone who was killed by DeFoe, his/her blood was splattered on the apron and mask. That's the answer to the hallucination with the 7DAS box at the end of 6DAS - Dacabe saw what is going to happen with those who were killed by the assailant weilding the apron.
So Chzo had Dacabe, who's three aspects were utterly broken and the Welder's suit with the memory of the killings (and maybe magical power, and pain to feed on).
I think Dacabe was better than Cabadath, for Chzo, because he suffered much more in his life, and he didn't wanted it. He was also more courtly than Cabadath (he was arrogant). Alson Cabadath had a major weakness - the idol.
I think that clears out the picture a little, Trilby. Phew! G'night!
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Posted 13 October 2007 - 12:57 AM
The Tall Man looked so much cooler...though he was cooler before I found out he had a face, he was just wearing a mask.
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Posted 17 October 2007 - 11:34 AM
There's an area somewhere that you have to 'use'. took me some time.
"There comes a time in every person's life when they should learn to shut up. It is called 'birth'."
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 03:58 AM
I, too, am extremely curious about the expanded ending (came here hoping for answers).
Also, doesn't anyone else feel bad about the poor final trilby clone, huddling in terror in the corner? i mean, he's going to be tortured for the rest of eternity, even if he is a clone, poor trilby.
Also, doesn't anyone else feel bad about the poor final trilby clone, huddling in terror in the corner? i mean, he's going to be tortured for the rest of eternity, even if he is a clone, poor trilby.
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 04:30 AM
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Also, doesn't anyone else feel bad about the poor final trilby clone, huddling in terror in the corner? i mean, he's going to be tortured for the rest of eternity, even if he is a clone, poor trilby.
Needs must, if Chzo drives.
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 03:08 AM
Spoilers.
I have a question.
Malcolm Somerset became an avatar of destiny, he was basically around to make sure time happed the way it is supposed to.
But think about it.
Time is time. Whatever happens is a part of it, and whatever doesn't happen isn't. No matter what happened, it would always be a part of time. Therefore, there is no reason to have a person keep the timestream in check, since whatever happened is what was supposed to happen, since it happened. Therefore, if the ending to 6DaS is what was supposed to happen, it would be able to happen without having someone interfere. And if it didn't happen, then the other thing is what was supposed to happen.
Basically, I'm saying that if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
So there doesn't seem to be a need to have someone make sure things should go how they are supposed to go, since whatever happens is what is supposed to happen. Malcom's character doesn't seem to need to exist, really.
Wow. Okay.
I have a question.
Malcolm Somerset became an avatar of destiny, he was basically around to make sure time happed the way it is supposed to.
But think about it.
Time is time. Whatever happens is a part of it, and whatever doesn't happen isn't. No matter what happened, it would always be a part of time. Therefore, there is no reason to have a person keep the timestream in check, since whatever happened is what was supposed to happen, since it happened. Therefore, if the ending to 6DaS is what was supposed to happen, it would be able to happen without having someone interfere. And if it didn't happen, then the other thing is what was supposed to happen.
Basically, I'm saying that if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
So there doesn't seem to be a need to have someone make sure things should go how they are supposed to go, since whatever happens is what is supposed to happen. Malcom's character doesn't seem to need to exist, really.
Wow. Okay.
This post has been edited by ?!!: 02 November 2007 - 03:10 AM
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We carry a harpoon
But there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales
And sing a whaling tune
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But there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales
And sing a whaling tune
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 07:55 AM
Ah, what you are talking about is the nature of time travel.
There are various competing theories about how it would work, assuming it is possible at all.
Things happening the way they did in 6DAS are possible if time doesn't progress in a linear way, if in some way it is all interconnected, and we can only perceive things along a linerish progression. As an aside, I think Chzo perceives things in such a non-linear way, so it may seem to be the case.
There are various competing theories about how it would work, assuming it is possible at all.
Things happening the way they did in 6DAS are possible if time doesn't progress in a linear way, if in some way it is all interconnected, and we can only perceive things along a linerish progression. As an aside, I think Chzo perceives things in such a non-linear way, so it may seem to be the case.
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 08:02 AM
See, I don't think Yahtzee gave a flying fuck about theoretical time travel... people are reading way into it, more than what is actually there. Not saying it's wrong or anything, but don't kid yourselves that you'll 'SOLVE' the XDAS series timeline and overall plot.
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 10:43 AM
That was the thing I didn't like about 6DAS. I don't know why, but it seems to be a general rule that you can have as much crazy, unbelievably ridiculous shit as you want in a story, but as soon as you introduce time travel, any suspension of disbelief suddenly goes out the window.
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 11:27 AM
QUOTE (?!! @ Nov 2 2007, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spoilers.
I have a question.
Malcolm Somerset became an avatar of destiny, he was basically around to make sure time happed the way it is supposed to.
But think about it.
Time is time. Whatever happens is a part of it, and whatever doesn't happen isn't. No matter what happened, it would always be a part of time. Therefore, there is no reason to have a person keep the timestream in check, since whatever happened is what was supposed to happen, since it happened. Therefore, if the ending to 6DaS is what was supposed to happen, it would be able to happen without having someone interfere. And if it didn't happen, then the other thing is what was supposed to happen.
Basically, I'm saying that if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
So there doesn't seem to be a need to have someone make sure things should go how they are supposed to go, since whatever happens is what is supposed to happen. Malcom's character doesn't seem to need to exist, really.
Wow. Okay.
I have a question.
Malcolm Somerset became an avatar of destiny, he was basically around to make sure time happed the way it is supposed to.
But think about it.
Time is time. Whatever happens is a part of it, and whatever doesn't happen isn't. No matter what happened, it would always be a part of time. Therefore, there is no reason to have a person keep the timestream in check, since whatever happened is what was supposed to happen, since it happened. Therefore, if the ending to 6DaS is what was supposed to happen, it would be able to happen without having someone interfere. And if it didn't happen, then the other thing is what was supposed to happen.
Basically, I'm saying that if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
So there doesn't seem to be a need to have someone make sure things should go how they are supposed to go, since whatever happens is what is supposed to happen. Malcom's character doesn't seem to need to exist, really.
Wow. Okay.
Spoilers.
Like theorised on other forums, maybe Destiny is an entity like Chzo witch lives outside of time.
In 6DAS the Tall Man turned against Chzo and tried to kill Dacabe. Chzo lost his serveant so he couldn't interfere with the happenings in the game. That's why the Caretaker was needed, to make things happen as Destiny (and Chzo) wished. Because Cabadath and DeFoe had many opportunity to kill Dacabe but Malcolm always interfered.
I think Destiny and the timeline are two different things, the reason of the Caretaker's existence is not to make things happen as they supposed to be, but to interfere with the timeline and change it the way the Destiny wishes.