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Posted 06 November 2006 - 08:06 AM

I just completed 7days, it's fantastic and horrow atmosphere don't leave you all the time (somehow i know i'll survive only myself) but there is one thing i still can't understand that doesn't explained by a storyline. In box was idol with all that fetish stuff, the one who touched it (as i think it's doctor) got possessed by a spirit and all that crimes you saw ingame are only his deeds, then the hell where from zombie-captain comes from if he was blown away out of ship??? That he is blown is evidance of a keycard near an engine, obvious it can get there only if he dropped out of sheep, then how he is back, and if he was possessed by spirit why he didn't weared fetish stuff like all before him? As engineer says he was first to open box, but he makes sure he didn't touched anything, then he probably lie, because only he was able to go trough airlock. Kinda he touched idol and then taked commander to antennas, and when he is back in his body he was awared of his deeds and become passive letting you do all the job he must do. He was also only one who was able to use engineering tunnel so it's probably he stucked blade in elevator making it offline. But it's obvious doctor lieing too, he said he doesn't sleep and don't know anything about elevator shutdown, probably a lie, because he is first who panics and closes up in his room. Would be nice to have real story revealed, it's hard to understand what really happend, and why there was that captain and serena wondering around ship ??? BTW how to see a secret scene, what date it should be ???
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 08:50 AM

1 - Please use the "Enter" key a little more. It makes your text easier to read.
2 - Dr. Taylor probably took the captain's corpse from the radio masts and "fixed" it, to be the body of John DeFoe. But since Somerset threw the zombie down to the pit, the doctor had to create another vessel for the wraith.
3 - No one knows who sticked the machete on the elevator.
4 - Dr. Taylor was insane.
5 - Somerset was also insane. That's why he saw Serena even she was already dead.
6 - If you don't want to believe in the previous statements, just believe everyone is lying about everything and be satisfied.
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 11:28 AM

First of all, it's clear that Adam must have been the first one to touch the statue. He must have chased the captain outside the ship, and impale him on the masts. However, I'm not sure whether he was aware of what he'd done when he came to. Was the possessed Adam wearing one of those spacesuits when he chased the captain outside? If not, then he should have blown up, judging by how easily Trilby and Jim were disposed of in the same condition. If so, then it is strange that the retarded wraith had the right mind to equip himself with some life-supporting systems in the middle of another chop-stabbity-chop-chop. I guess it's evil DeFoe magic combined with Chzo's powers.

Anyway.

I don't think Taylor was possessed in the same way as the others. Here, another interesting nuance was that the ghost of DeFoe turns out to be one of the less berserking but more malicious kind than the one seen in 5DAS. I guess this explains the problem above as well. I'm thinking that Taylor was not ENTIRELY possessed. He used his own mind to take care of the problems, he cleared his tracks nicely for a long while, which makes me think that the wraith left him with a lot of liberty, it's just that the objectives were clear for him, and from then on, he lived only to fulfill these. You can't explain this by just saying he was insane, it's a lot more complex issue than that. The wraith made use of his fears and desires, and turned himself in the right direction. It was his fear of turning out to be a useless member of the crew, desiring to be accepted as one of the team (of course, it wasn't that the rest of the crew didn't accept him, it's just that HE refused to believe in HIMSELF, being such an extremely introverted dumass. Perhaps he'd made a fatal mistake in his career earlier, which no one knows of. I'm just brainstorming here).

So, 'Somerset'. I don't think he was insane or delirious at all at that point. I still believe that it was Serena (or her head at least, sewn on some other people's torso and limbs, eww). To me, this bloke seemed to be the kind of person who has a calm, sane attitude towards problems (which helps him survive that week). I'm guessing he's lost control of himself only once, when he killed the real Somerset, which explains his outburst at the end, after he's reminded of the incident. Perhaps Somerset was a professor of his who didn't let him pass the psychology exam or something.


My, what a big post. Of course, most of these questions will probably be answered when 6DAS comes out.

Any day now... wacko.gif

This post has been edited by David-kyo: 06 November 2006 - 11:32 AM

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 12:28 PM

I'm not sure if I remember the last scene correctly, so enlighten me if I'm wrong, but were we explicitly told that the fake Somerset killed the real one? I thought it sounded like the fake just took advantage of the original's death to steal his identity, covering up death from suicide or natural causes or in suspicious circumstances that incriminated the fake, or whatever.

Also, Centurion, set your clock to May 24th, then load a save just before the end and wait until after the credits. I don't think you have to play through the whole game to see the special ending, but you might have to if loading the save doesn't work.

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Use [rifle] on [clocktower].
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Millitant Pacifist @ Nov 6 2006, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure if I remember the last scene correctly, so enlighten me if I'm wrong, but were we explicitly told that the fake Somerset killed the real one?


Actually not. The final scene was like this:

POLICEMAN 1: It's him?

POLICEMAN 2: Dr. Somerset was supposed to have xx years old (very old, I don't remember the age) and, by the way, he is dead. He was killed by an unidentified assaultant, who is believed to have stolen his identity.

- Pause -

Somerset: I did't want to hurt him. I didn't want to hurt anyone. I've been unemployed for eight years! I JUST WANTED TO GO INTO SPACE!!

POLICEMAN 1: Let's go.

So, what we may be sure to know is that the fake Somerset thinks he killed the real one. It's like when you puch someone, and the guy goes unconscious, and you run away thinking you killed him. Then, someone comes and stabs the guy to death. This happens to me all the time.
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Nostaw @ Nov 6 2006, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's like when you puch someone, and the guy goes unconscious, and you run away thinking you killed him. Then, someone comes and stabs the guy to death. This happens to me all the time.

Indeed, I know what you mean.
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 05:04 PM

Like in Gyakuten Saiban 3?!!
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 10:39 AM

Okey then let's give some logic. The only one who was able to go trough airlock was engineer, so whatever happend first night he was involved in.There is no proof that suit on the antennas you saw was exactly a body, idol could use it as avatar. Maybe after reading paper adam tried to pull it away and put idol in another suit trying to pull it away and that explains how it got on the roof but didn't explains bloodstains, what really happend is a mystery but obvious adam was involved. It's rediculous doctor said he didn't sleept, he ofcourse lied, but what he really did is also a mystery, he couldn't get trough airlock himself so he was together with adam or i have no idea what happend.... Next day doctor rush to his quoters, probably allready possessed by idol, antennas could be removed by a captain as we know he have control in his room and his keycard appears to be stuck near engine ray only on that day, it wasn't there when we first find a body. So that kinda only one explanation where that spacesuit with something inside is gone. Doctor taked out serena, still no idea how to explain you see her again later, maybe she was tried as idol new body and failed, then adam goes up saying he saw a captain, obvious it wasn't captain, but his body possesed by spirit, kinda the same way as idol tried it as new body. But i stuck at another part of unexplained things - the bladesaw in elevator could be a work of a adam trying to isolate himself, but why dropped out of ship captain possessed by idol didn't dissapears forever??? and how happend serenas body was inside engineering cabinet and her hand was somehow trown trough ventilation to lower lever and inserted inside food machine...
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:06 AM

1 - Please use the "Enter" key a little more. It makes your text easier to read.

2 - All items can be stolen, including keycards.

3 - The captain was the fist one to get possessed. Then he stabbed and threw himself in the radio masts, so the doctor would make him a permanent body for John DeFoe.

4 - The doctor was never possessed. JD told him to do the job, or else...

5 - How did Serena's hand went to the food vending machine? I have a lot of funny theories (including the one that states that the hand was possessed) but I prefer believe JD wanted the hand to be found by the crew, for some reason I ignore.

6 - After looking at Serena's torso, Somerset went temporarly insane and "saw" Serena walking around.
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:16 PM

Sorry my enter malfunctioning ))))

i just replayed first day to refresh memory, some questions revealed, and comes new ones.

1. Captain taked box onboard even when there is recommendation to leave it, so it's hard to belive he didn't looked inside box. Even more angela says she didn't see where exactly he gone after box retrieval

2. Day one adam don't want do anything at all, repairing lift etc. When you brind blade he says that it can get there any time (As we know he is a lier, that means he KNOWS how blade get inthere, because he put it inthere to broke elevator for some reason)

3. Both adam and willam knows that red smth on blade is a blood.

4. There is no captain keycard when you go to check what happened to radio, even more there is a blood coming from spacesuit on radio mast meaning it's ever captain himself.

5. Airlock card is yours while body dissapears from a roof, means no one can steal it, and also no one can go outside, except probably captian (He showed he can use spacesuit too)

6. Body must be taked away by somebody who possess captain card (to remove radio masts, and to get inside airlock), then he drops it away in hope it burns in engine, but you found it near engine outside means he failed to get rid of a card...

7. William runs away of conference as he have something important to do, means body is taked out by him to his room-lab. Knowing you up to send signal he kills serena while you investigating roof.

things is clear enough now, probably he is the one who is placed dismemberes serenas body behind a engineering panel, he is the one who places hand in the food machine and giving you ultraviolet to find body, so you will be locked up. It's not first time he tries to make someone "fake criminal", first he tried on first day saying angela is last saw him, and when angela says "we think all innocent" he gone mad. Second day he tried to make you criminal saying you are the one who saw him when he was and dissapeared, but again he gots NO by angela, and go invent his last working method that finnal gots you in jail while his commander-robot goes killing)

Idol was in doctors room means he taked it away, means he inspected box too, everyhing else is clear enough... but still what really happend first night ?
8. If adam touch idol, become maniac and kill captain and get back, then how captain card gets inside ? someone pickpocket him before ???
9. If that was willian who killed captain, probably he knows how to use eva suit, but where he got airlock card, adam won't give him it !
10. If that was captain who touched first idol then he got possessed and adam+willian defended themselfs, but then again how captain keycard gone to william?
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (Centurion @ Nov 7 2006, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(.........)
Idol was in doctors room means he taked it away, means he inspected box too, everyhing else is clear enough... but still what really happend first night ?
8. If adam touch idol, become maniac and kill captain and get back, then how captain card gets inside ? someone pickpocket him before ???
9. If that was willian who killed captain, probably he knows how to use eva suit, but where he got airlock card, adam won't give him it !
10. If that was captain who touched first idol then he got possessed and adam+willian defended themselfs, but then again how captain keycard gone to william?
(.........)

You know what? Write an e-mail to Yahtzee, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to enlighten you.
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (David-kyo @ Nov 7 2006, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what? Write an e-mail to Yahtzee, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to enlighten you.

tongue.gif I still hope he reads forum from time to time biggrin.gif
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:10 PM

Answer to everything in this thread: These are all just techniques implemented into the game to fuck with you psychologically without the assumption that the nature and exact science of it all would have to eventually be explained via Trilby's Notes, and until Yahtzee finishes the last game any attempts at making sense out of the plot holes is just conjectured fanwankery.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Centurion @ Nov 7 2006, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
tongue.gif I still hope he reads forum from time to time biggrin.gif

That's not what I meant. But he probably wouldn't answer to such trivial nitpickery on the forum anyway, or if he would, he'd just use the word 'cocksucker' in various context.

(Or perhaps not, just to contradict me.)

QUOTE (David-kyo @ Nov 7 2006, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what? Write an e-mail to Yahtzee, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to enlighten you.

I know sarcasm is not really obvious on the internet so try to imagine that here I used the same tone of voice as one of the funny-ass officers filling in the new recruits like this:
"And before you go to sleep, be sure to take the grenade belts off. If you're unsure why you should do this, feel free to ask any of our drill sergeants, they'll answer all of your questions with the utmost accuracy."

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (David-kyo @ Nov 7 2006, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
he'd just use the word 'cocksucker' in various context.

That's probably the category of ppl he make game for biggrin.gif
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