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Posted 31 October 2006 - 10:08 AM

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... but since my video game expertise is limited to only KOTOR and Ocarina of Time, I probably shouldn’t have a say.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (Gobbler @ Oct 30 2006, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Zelda's nice, but it lacks depth and emotion, I wouldn't rank it that high.

Final Fantasy X == completely fucked up, just like FF IX. VIII was nice, VII was absolutely brilliant and III (i.e. VI) was the best FF ever. Full stop.

Chrono Trigger... now that one clearly deserves to be No. 1. The only thing that bugged me about it were those crappy drawings made by those horrible horrible people who drew Dragon Ball, too.


The constant issue I observe most people tend to have when trying to compare Zelda to other RPGs is that they usually have some sort of negative views for Zelda.

Zelda is an awesome series, but trying to compare it to traditional turn-based style RPGs isnt fair, as Zelda is pretty much in a different classification.

The lack of depth and emotion that you are referring to would be storyline and character development, which is true that Zelda doesnt have much of in comparison with Final Fantasy, Legend of Dragoon, etc. But then again, Zelda isnt trying to be those type of games to begin with. Zelda is more action-oriented, and always was. When RPGs first came out, they pretty much took two different directions: those games that feature character development and deep storyline, and those games that are more action-oriented.


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How can FF X be on there? What is it with Square and it's trite rehashed story, rehashed content, and ultra-effemminate male main characters who are angsty about saving the world? FF X took a good 2 hours just to get to where you could actually play due to the long stupid cutscenes, and then they only pretended there was any freedom in the leveling up system.

Best. Game. Ever? No idea. Something old and fantastic and ultra positively influential, like SMB3. *shrug*


Yeah, I'll admit that..even as big of a FF fan that I am. There is something eery about Square lately. I love the Final Fantasy series, but something weird happened after Final Fantasy IX. I liked the darker installments, such as Final Fantasy VII and VIII. Then the latter installments got real sugar-coated and fruity, like a generic childrens breakfast cereal. The male characters got really girl-esque. The girls either bared more skin, looked more superficial, or took on lesbian tendencies. The magic/item systems got more complex. Square is trying so hard to maintain their rep as being the ultimate RPG developer, that sometimes they get carried away with it and go off the deep end. I sometimes wonder what transpires at some of their board meetings, when they get together to discuss initial ideas about what their next chapter should include and how it should look.
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 03:44 AM

mireaux7 just found the way to my heart with that accurate description of what went on after FF VIII. wub.gif

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 11:08 AM

Zelda isn't an RPG or an Orko-PG. It's an action-adventure where you get more items and life-bar as you play through it. You go around kicking butt and solving puzzles. in R/OPGs, you go around kicking butt to get more stuff to kick more butt.
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 12:18 PM

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Zelda isn't an RPG or an Orko-PG. It's an action-adventure where you get more items and life-bar as you play through it. You go around kicking butt and solving puzzles. in R/OPGs, you go around kicking butt to get more stuff to kick more butt.


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Posted 02 November 2006 - 12:38 PM

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The girls either bared more skin, looked more superficial, or took on lesbian tendencies.


Whats wrong with that?
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Posted 03 November 2006 - 03:50 AM

That you're not actually gettin' any of it in the process. sad.gif

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 09:29 PM

Pffffff!!! I will not claim that Final Fantasy X is awesome. I will however claim that Final Fantasy X-2 is one of the greatest games ever released.

Also, Final Fantasy X had character developement freedom. You just had to go through roads/paths to get somewhere. Not total freedom, but freedom none the less! It was the sequel that hardly had any, but that's ok because you played three cute girls in "dress up and hit bad guys!" Which is the best genre ever.
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Posted 03 November 2006 - 11:29 PM

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Zelda isn't an RPG or an Orko-PG. It's an action-adventure where you get more items and life-bar as you play through it. You go around kicking butt and solving puzzles. in R/OPGs, you go around kicking butt to get more stuff to kick more butt.

I tend to disagree on your last point there. RPG's don't (or at least shouldn't primarily) involve going around kicking butt to get more stuff to kick butt. RPG's should involve realistic characters in a believable universe, where you take on the role of a character (or characters) and shape how things happen around you. Most games that focus on story are RPGs, regardless of the needs for stats. To my mind, games such as Diablo aren't RPGs as they don't have any character development at all.
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Posted 04 November 2006 - 04:13 AM

So there are really some people left who think that Diablo's an RPG? Geez... if they can't even distinguish between RPG and Hack-n-Slay, then I don't wanna hear about their opinion on Quake.

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Posted 04 November 2006 - 05:29 PM

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mireaux7 just found the way to my heart with that accurate description of what went on after FF VIII. wub.gif


(*blushes*) awww..shucks! @};- @};- wub.gif
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 08:05 AM

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I tend to disagree on your last point there. RPG's don't (or at least shouldn't primarily) involve going around kicking butt to get more stuff to kick butt. RPG's should involve realistic characters in a believable universe, where you take on the role of a character (or characters) and shape how things happen around you. Most games that focus on story are RPGs, regardless of the needs for stats. To my mind, games such as Diablo aren't RPGs as they don't have any character development at all.


Ideally, sure. But they label all sorts of crap RPGs. Like that Fable game.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 09:58 AM

And that really pisses me off. A friend of mine was trying to convince me that Hellgate: London was an RPG. I took one look at it and told him that that was a load of crap.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 08:48 PM

I meant the conventional way games are termed RPGs these days. Stat building, etc. I haven't played too many real RPGs where the main goal wasn't to just get a better character going, despite said character having an actual chance to make decisions in the game.
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 04:31 AM

Think that is just the Elder Scroll games and Fallout. If I am overlooking something, please let me know.
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