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Posted 18 September 2006 - 10:18 PM

I asked if this could be put up on the news desk but it was considered depressing so here.

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The girl knifed to death at Harrow

Lucy Braham was the beautiful and artistic daughter of a master at Harrow.

William Jaggs was the misfit son of another teacher.

For years he nursed an love for the girl who lived a few doors away.
And finally his passion led to an appalling bloodbath.

While 25-year-old Lucy's parents were out, Jaggs broke into the family's college-owned home and knifed her several times in a frenzied attack.

Neighbours who heard screams called police, who arrived to find 22-year-old Jaggs naked, yelling incomprehensibly and stabbing himself several times in the heart. He lay in a coma last night as Lucy's family struggled to comprehend their terrible loss.

A source close to Lucy's family said: "None of the family ever liked him but he just wouldn't leave her alone."

Lucy's father Jason Braham, 56, is art director at the 800-pupil public school in North-West London. His wife Julienne, 50, is an artist.

Lucy, a former pupil of Millfield School, Somerset, was a graduate of the London College of Fashion, and was working on her own range of clothing and accessories.

Jaggs's father Alan, 53, is head of design and technology at Harrow and his two sons both attended the £24,825-a-year school.

William had known Lucy since the 1980s and their families lived just four houses and 50 yards apart in a street of staff houses next to the school.

According to police, it was at 10pm on Thursday that Jaggs, an Oxford graduate, broke into Lucy's home while her parents were attending an art exhibition followed by a formal dinner.

She put up a struggle and was stabbed several times.

By this time, neighbours had alerted police after hearing both cries and the sound of smashing glass. Officers arrived to find Lucy dead and Jaggs naked and covered in blood from his self-inflicted wounds.

He was taken to nearby Northwick Park Hospital where he remained in a 'critical' condition last night under guard after being formally arrested by police.

Lucy's parents discovered what had happened when they returned home to find the house cordoned off by police. Her aunt, Stephanie Braham, said the family were 'heartbroken' by the murder.

Jaggs is a would-be actor who has taken lead roles in a number of plays at school and at Oriel College Oxford, where he is believed to have graduated in English Literature this summer.

He is understood to have begun suffering from depression in his second year, and to have taken a year out before completing his final year.

Earlier this year he starred in a Old Harrovian Players' production of Shakespeare's Love's Labour's Lost.

He is also said to have taking a starring role in an Oxford student production of Equus - the play in which a crazed youth wildly stabs horses in their stables.

Friends said that he and Lucy were never lovers but he became obsessed with her.

Lucy's older sister Alice, 30, works for a magazine and is a successful runner who has represented Britain in a number of marathons including London and New York.

Both girls went to St George's Catholic First and Middle School, in Harrow and later boarded at Millfield, where fees are £22,000 a year. The family are devout Catholics. One aunt is a nun and Mrs Braham attended Mass yesterday morning.

A close friend of Lucy from school days described her as a classic beauty.

The 25-year-old Londoner said: "I can't imagine anyone would have a bad word to say about Lucy. Everyone is so shocked by the news. She was very simply a really nice girl.

"She was in my circle of friends at school and I saw her only last year. She was absolutely stunning with long dark-brown hair."

Lucy's maternal grandparents spoke of their shock at their home in Somerset. Her grandmother told the Daily Mail: "Lucy was the most beautiful, talented, kind and generous person you could wish to know. She was such a lovely creature that I find it hard to do justice to her in words. I would not want anyone to think ill of her.

"She was a quiet, thoughtful child who channelled all her energy into her creative side and she was starting to produce the most wonderful things.

"We are a very religious family and I know people like to belittle the faith which others have but it is very important to us and has been a great comfort at such a difficult time. Lucy is now at peace. She is no longer suffering. It is those who are left behind who are the ones in pain and must learn how to deal with it.

"Only the Devil knows what was going through this young man's mind.
"We can take some solace from the fact she will have gone straight to Heaven and will pray for everyone who has been touched by this truly awful event."

Last night Scotland Yard officers said they were not looking for anyone else in connection with the inquiry.

http://www.dailymail...i...c=NEWS&ct=5



What I am interested in is why he went to great lengths to perform the above actions.
They say in other reports that drugs were involved but what caused him to take drugs? Stress? What is the root of the problem and the reasoning behind it.

Would it be fair to say that his desire or obsession grew too much beyond his control, he had no way of controlling or channeling his obsessions or coming to terms with the reality outside a few doors away that he took the life of a person. "If I can't have that" their ego "will make them ceased to exist." I think it could be what can happen when people think of others too much in one sense but not the wider picture. Also his approach to asking for things could be reflected as what they describe "none of the family ever liked him."

Now then I see a connection to Adrian Mole on how he focused on somebody else whilst they achieve but he kept on going down, which could be the signs of the stress. Maybe some form in inequality exists there whilst he could feel devalued in some way. There is what I call a myth on energy vampires who attract certain people who are attracted and use their energy without realising, yet I don't know if this can ever be proven but now that I mentioned it it could be considered for other cases like this.

I know it might be a sad story and that is why I am curious to find out other information.
What happened if there was no person living a few yards away? Would he eventually be caught up in a similar situation.


Well I'll leave that for you to decide on debate for now.

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Posted 19 September 2006 - 05:44 AM

This article doesn’t look like it has anything to do with drugs.
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Posted 19 September 2006 - 10:21 AM

It doesn't here but I mean in other reports for example:

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Jaggs had been suspended from Oxford University for not working hard enough. In Oxford, rumours circulated that his social group, mostly Old Harrovians and other ex-public schoolboys, were regular users of cocaine and other drugs.
http://www.dailymail...mp;in_a_source=


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William Jaggs, the son of a fellow teacher, is believed to have murdered Miss Braham in a frenzied knife attack while high on drugs.
http://www.telegraph.../17/nstab17.xml


I do question this now because I see no proof that he was on drugs but the opinions here speak to that:

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Other university friends said Jaggs' behaviour had changed as his drug use increased.
"We would sit drinking tea - they would sit in theirs smoking dope."
http://www.thisislon...mily/article.do


Maybe the stress could have caused the intake of drugs in a way of release. It seems to me that people are less able to cope in reality when they are routed down to a world of their own.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:57 AM

This could be what happens when inequalities exists between people from different class backgrounds. So rather than being an Adrian Mole maybe triggered by the intake of drugs or alcohol, he might have thought "Lets get this over and done with." So taking his unseen egocentric mode over to her house either he was planning to do that or she might have said something verbally abusive or hurtful back causing him to use the weapon. If this happened she might have even said the truth without consideration of his state of mind or realising that some people can't handle the truth as for living in self denial.

Now the possibilities is that if he ever recovers, he'll probably be bowing down to her everyday like a god because it is true in some respects that when something is gone it is most appreciated.

Has anybody ever been an Adrian Mole to another person?

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 09:11 AM

Could you please simplify the question everyone is meant to debate, I’m having a hard time trying to understand what the subject is and what your position is.
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 09:16 AM

Okay before I go any further and explain have you read the story of Adrian Mole?
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 09:36 AM

QUOTE (Deepsycher @ Sep 22 2006, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay before I go any further and explain have you read the story of Adrian Mole?


No, does it have anything to do with the play the Murderer was starring in?
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 10:21 AM

Not up to the murder which is why titled this in relation to"Not Another Adrian Mole" or "an Adrian Mole Gone Wrong."
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 10:27 AM

Ok fine but what is the Topic we are meant to discuss?
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 10:34 AM

The connection between Adrian Mole and the lady who rejected him so he spent his time after obsessing about her.
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 10:37 AM

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The connection between Adrian Mole and the lady who rejected him so he spent his time after obsessing about her.


Seems a bit warped, if a women rejects you she isn’t worth your time, or that kind of commitment.
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 10:44 AM

Well sadly it was for him. I still got to read a book about later on in his life and I heard he was STILL obsessing about her, I wouldn't be superised if he was following her around.
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE (Deepsycher @ Sep 21 2006, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well sadly it was for him. I still got to read a book about later on in his life and I heard he was STILL obsessing about her, I wouldn't be superised if he was following her around.

Uh... wait a second. How long did you read into that first book? Because if you're talking about Pandora, they get together after about 2 months. Eventually, they break up (after a few years), and start hating each other (while, indeed, the bloke is still obsessed about the woman but won't admit it even to himself if I remember right) in one of the sequels I haven't read to the end because I found it shit.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 11:30 AM

I was forced to read it as a learning excerise back in 1998. It took me six hours to read in one day. I can remember the beginning bit about that. There was another news story weeks ago about a boy who committed suicide involving some sister, it appeared as if she was adopted but he got jealous of her and I saw no romance buildup between them.
Inequality...

For Adrian Mole I didn't remember him hating her other than jealousy of marrying an old man which he described in an unpleasent or unclean way.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 01:49 PM

Well, yeah, you have me at a disadvantage, since I read that book like 7 years ago or so, so I can't really recall the plot.
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