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#31 User is offline   KurganX Icon

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 07:40 AM

Ah, but if you skip most of Jedi that's not really a marathon, that's a clipshow. wink.gif

Btw, since you have them and you were paying attention to the sound, can you tell me about the soundtracks? Are these from the THX Enhanced "Faces" set or the 1980's soundtrack?

Does Luke say "You're lucky you don't taste very good!" or "You were lucky to get out of there" in ESB? Does Han say "Don't worry.. trust me!" Or "Don't worry, I can see a lot better" in ROTJ? In Star Wars, do the Stormtroopers searching for the droids in Mos Eisley say "the door's locked, move on to the next one" or "this side's secure, move on to the next one"? etc.

I'm really curious which sound mix they used...


PS: Thanks for the covers I got 'em (btw, lol on putting a red line to enhance Carrie Fisher's cleavage in the first one!). I'll compare these to the other covers I've got and see, though I'm not a huge photoshop wizard (I do know a little though) and don't have a lot of time except on the weekends sometimes. I appreciate you sending them to me in any case!
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Posted 14 September 2006 - 09:23 AM

Hey Movie Goer! Great to see your brash and smiling Av again.

You will view Yub yub, right?


Luke to PT fan: "You're lucky you don't have good taste."

Stormtrooper to PT: "This trilogy sucks, move on to the next one."


Han regarding Theatrical versions: "OT fans, don't worry. Trust me."
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Posted 14 September 2006 - 01:00 PM

Awesome! I'd have burst out laughing in the library but I'm a little sleepy....

Clever jokes aside, which version is it? For real? wink.gif

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 01:39 PM

Hey KurganX, they are the versions where Luke says to R2, "You're lucky you don't taste very good." And the stormtroopers said "It's locked, move on to the next one." And Han says to Lando, "It's alright, trust me!" This is all coming off of the bonus disk anyway where the theatrical originals are. When I started up EP IV on the bonus disk, the Star Wars logo didn't even have EP IV under it and it didn't say "A New Hope." The movie was simply titled Star Wars. If that isn't original enough!
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 02:57 AM

Yep. That's right. It's all the original dialogue again - just the way we remembered it.

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Ah, but if you skip most of Jedi that's not really a marathon, that's a clipshow.


Perhaps. But I did the marathon once when I was a kid and believe me, going on to "Return of the Jedi" straight after "The Empire Strikes Back" is the biggest come-down. One minute we're in a city in the clouds and the next we're back on Tatooine again... and not even the exotic Tunisian Tatooine but a dull Californian version. After such a let down, seeing Jabba and his muppet friends, listening to Obi Wan tie up all the loose plot threads in a two minute conversation and seeing the ewoks is just too much to handle.

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btw, lol on putting a red line to enhance Carrie Fisher's cleavage in the first one!


Oh, you noticed that, did you? Actually, if you see a high quality scan of the poster, her cleavage is shown with stark clarity. I just couldn't find a good enough scan.

Too bad that when you actually watch the film, Leia looks more like a nun. I quite like the sultry B-Grade movie look she has going on in that poster.

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Hey Movie Goer! Great to see your brash and smiling Av again.


Good to see you again too. Say hi to Louis for me.

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You will view Yub yub, right?


I don't know. That's one piece of original 'Star Wars' I definitely have no fond memories of. Maybe I could watch it with the mute button. Last time I saw it, I was blindsided by how bad that song was.

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 04:49 AM

QUOTE (yukai_ondori @ Sep 14 2006, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey KurganX, they are the versions where Luke says to R2, "You're lucky you don't taste very good." And the stormtroopers said "It's locked, move on to the next one." And Han says to Lando, "It's alright, trust me!" This is all coming off of the bonus disk anyway where the theatrical originals are. When I started up EP IV on the bonus disk, the Star Wars logo didn't even have EP IV under it and it didn't say "A New Hope." The movie was simply titled Star Wars. If that isn't original enough!


Sounds like it's what we came for then! Pre-"THX Enhanced/Faces" audio!

Now too bad they didn't include the mono-track (or anamorphic option). sad.gif
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 09:33 AM

QUOTE (Just your average movie goer @ Sep 15 2006, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too bad that when you actually watch the film, Leia looks more like a nun. I quite like the sultry B-Grade movie look she has going on in that poster.

I seem to be the only person on the forum who actually prefers her this way (which may well have something to do with my being one of the very few female members). I like the fact that Leia wears something appropriate to her job as a professional diplomat, as opposed to Padme in the OT, who looks like a reject from a Gilbert & Sullivan production. By the time of the next Special Editions, Lucas will no doubt have digitally edited out the white outfit and replaced it with the Liz Hurley safety-pin dress.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Post icon  Posted 15 September 2006 - 02:30 PM

Hi all, this is my first post. Well, I just bought the dvds yesterday and they are great. I've only watched Star Wars (I plan on watching Empire tonight) but it was very good. I'm glad I never went out and bought the '04 dvds. I highly recommend this dvd set.
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 06:29 PM

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I seem to be the only person on the forum who actually prefers her this way (which may well have something to do with my being one of the very few female members). I like the fact that Leia wears something appropriate to her job as a professional diplomat


Hi Helena. You're right of course and being female gives you a more objective persective. Truth be told, all of us guys see it your way too but there's always that what-if factor in the back of our minds when we see the original cover.

And a big welcome and hello to The Elite_elite. I'm glad you're enjoying the rest of the DVDs as much as the rest of us are.

I watched the twenty-five or so good minutes of "Return of the Jedi" last night, concluding the trilogy. The whole experience has been fantastic.

And no, Despondent... sadly, I couldn't bring myself to listen to "Yub yub". I simply watched the last scene with no sound. That actually gives it a nice quality of its own.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 02:13 AM

Comparison screenshots:

http://www.aptirrele.../otscreenshots/

Well, according to some folks on my other forum (Lucasforums.com), the sound lines all match up with the pre-THX Enhanced versions, so it sounds like this is THE version to get on DVD!

Yes, it sucks that Lucas gipped us with no anamorphic widescreen, no deleted scenes, no vintage commentary or specials, no Dolby 5.1 (to simulate the 6 channel stereo shown in select theaters back in the '80's), and not even a pass or two to correct the Dolby Noise Reduction glitches of the LaserDisc master or any dirt removal (not asking for a complete digital "restoration" like what was done with the 2004 versions.. with the way Lowry Digital screwed that up, because Lucas didn't give them enough time to do it right, no thanks!).

Still, in spite of all that, it appears these are the best looking non-special editions out there, and the 30th anniversary set sounds like it's just going to be more re-edited crap. Of course he'll release his movies multiple times on the next generation format.

But it looks like this is my chance to "cast my vote" for the original trilogy. Sucks that I will be paying Lucas again for his shoddy 2004 editions, but oh well. At least I got a decent price on them. They should arrive in 2 weeks...
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 11:22 AM

Way to go, KurganX. Just enjoy the OT with good sound and good picture quality. Don't get too distought about giving Lucas more funds. Just don't buy the crap with all the new scenes and such that destroy the films.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 04:50 PM

QUOTE (yukai_ondori @ Sep 16 2006, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Way to go, KurganX. Just enjoy the OT with good sound and good picture quality. Don't get too distought about giving Lucas more funds. Just don't buy the crap with all the new scenes and such that destroy the films.


Sorry, but that's impossible.

To buy the originals, I have to buy another copy of the re-edited, poorly restored, 2004 editions with all the crap.

The only way around this would be to bootleg them, or buy an old LaserDisc player.

Lucas isn't giving me the option to buy just the Original Original Trilogy, so I'm still directly supporting his "revised versions."


I'll enjoy the OT, but I'll always realize that I COULD be enjoying them in better quality, if Lucas actually cared about his movies, rather than feeling the need to constantly alter them, and pretend the previous versions don't exist or are unworthy.

In some small way I might hope that by buying this version, I'll be sending the message to Lucas that I DO want the original originals preserved, and want some credit given to the 72,000+ fans who feel the exact same way.

But Lucas has given himself wiggle room to spin the results any way he chooses. His company will undoubtably use this opportunity to claim high sales figures for LEGO Star Wars II and the 2004 Editions. He'll us this as proof that fans will "buy anything" regardless of quality (a re-release of the same DVD for the third time, and a dump of some LaserDiscs from 13 years ago), perhaps encouraging him to maintain low standards to milk the fans.

So that's why I'm conflicted. I want to own a 100% legal, digital version of the original trilogy before the Special Edition effects, but I don't want to encourage Lucas to snub his fans by promoting his other half-a$$ed efforts.

If I don't buy it, I may miss my chance to own the original originals (in some form, on digital format, 100% legally), at a reasonable price, and then if the sales figures are low, Lucas can claim that "nobody wanted those outdated, unfinished projects anyway" and feel justified in continuing to snub them.


Of course, yes, I could get the LaserDiscs and make my own transfer. I'd have to spend more time and money and learn all the tricks involved in that process. As far as I'm concerned, ethically if you own any of the original tapes or discs you're entitled to a DVD of the same material. But still. Obtaining the necessary material to make your own versions isn't something we can all feasibly do. And Lucas is making it as difficult as possible to get these even as he's selling them, by making them for a "limited time only" and as three seperate packs, bundled with the 2004 editions we already own, and making it unattractive to those with widescreen displays and surround sound systems.

I don't feel bad about ranting, because that's why we're here, right?


I am seriously thinking of selling off half of my 2004 versions though. It's pointless to me to own two identical copies of the same three movies (I can already make all the backups I need with my burner, right?).


There might be another way around it... if somebody was offering a used set that was half price, and removed the 2004 discs from it, offering only the "bonus discs" (and maybe tossing in the 2004 bonus disc)... that would be worth it, and I wouldn't feel guilty at all for buying that.


Actually, if you bought a used set, you wouldn't be giving Lucas himself a dime. And used sets ARE already available (they were the day after release in fact, many only watched once!). The only reason I didn't order a used copy myself is that I was sucked into a comic book offer. I confess.. that was my reasoning.

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 10:19 PM

Don't really care about all the anamorphic explanations, but at least I understand the difference now between anamorphic and non-anamorphic. I'm just happy that the original is in letterbox format.

Someone mentioned how the movie was like the one they saw as a kid. I got the same feeling. I rather compare it to listening to an album which you take out of the closet years later. There's something intuitively familiar about it. In a more technical way, what I think I'm perceiving is the presentation, music, and edit cues which I experienced when I was younger. For example, if you were to play a CD in random format, you get a different experience from that of the original presentation.

I am certain that a lot of my experience is impacted by the VHS tape which I watched over and over. With VHS, I got the music and edit cues of the original. With the letterbox format (in both the remastered/altered and original versions) I get to appreciate the full composition of the movie, not just the close up positions an editor made to fit it onto a TV screen.

For example, in Obi-Wan's home when he talks to Luke, you see Alec Guinness in the left half of the screen (the rest is the wall in the background). He turns to his right to look at Luke. Because he's so far on the left of the screen, it's as if Luke is sitting immediately (I mean like right where you, the audience is) next to him. Had Lucas framed Obi-Wan to the right half of the screen, it would've seemed like Luke was behind him.

When you looked at revised editions of books, grammatical or revised text can clearly improve a text, but the experience is different with a movie. A book spreads the experience over a period of time that each person's reading is a different experience. With a movie, because you're figuratively put in a dark box, you're visual and auditory experience is relatively the same as that as the person next to you. It's a very intense, uninterrupted period of time controlled by a director.

With the original version, the focus is on the story, not all the gimicks which GL himself seems to think is important. GL didn't have the technology to give us all the super fancy flying tricks, the cool aliens, a new Jabba, Boba Fett tie-in, and the revised Han Solo. I certainly agree that GL as director has the prerogative to re-edit his own film, but his changes to the OT are not the same as those of the Director's Cut of the Abyss.

From what I understand about the technology to clean up films, there is only so much you can do without digitally repainting the film. Is it possible to fix the occasional white splotch or smear which stays on the screen when the camera pans? Probably the future will be better at it. Until then, I'm particularly happy that my VHS is replaced with a letterbox DVD that won't deteriorate with every new viewing of it.
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Posted 17 September 2006 - 12:41 AM

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Until then, I'm particularly happy that my VHS is replaced with a letterbox DVD that won't deteriorate with every new viewing of it.


This is the same reason that I bought mine. And I had never seen these films in widescreen so the music, sound, and enhanced atmosphere was a treat indeed. Isn't this the way the OT should be enjoyed?
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Posted 17 September 2006 - 03:03 PM

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This is the same reason that I bought mine.


Same for me. It's nice to replace my fullscreen VHS tapes with widescreen dvds.
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