[georgelucas4greedo]

If the Original Triology did nothing else, it introduced to us some of the most mysterious and compelling characters in cinematic history. We wanted to know what kind of creature Yoda was and how a three foot tall, frail little alien could be a warrior. We wanted to know the back story of Vader. We asked, "Why did the father of Luke, the quintessential one-dimensional good guy, turn bad?" We wondered how the Emperor consolidated his power. We were intrigued by the subtle hints of galatic politics in ANH and yearned for more. We desired to know the history of the almighty Ben Kenobi. Nevertheless, any Star Wars fan worth his weight in the original packaged figures that Principal Skinner adored knows that what we got in the PT was totally below expectations. My question to you, fellow SW geeks, is: which character did Lucas ruin the most for you and why?

[Despondent]

Vader. No.

[Lord Aquaman]

Vader. No.

Yeah, probably Vader.

[Radu094]

Anakin Skywalker. Should be obvious why

[Vesuvius]

The Emporer. In EP III, when Palpatine was using Dark Force Lightning against Mace Windu, Mace used his lightsaber to deflect the lightning and transfigure Palpatines face. This is all crap! The Emporer simply got older, darker, and more evil. In EP I and II, you could clearly see a difference in Palpatines appearance, like the Dark Side was already making him look sickly. Then in Ep III, he's robust, jovial, and quite non-sickly looking until he shocks himself! (a-hole!)

Just look at the difference in Palpatine's face and eyes in EP I, then look at how miserable (and darker) he looks in EP II, then in EP III, he's back to looking clean like in EP I. Lucas was showing his deterioration from movie to movie, ...or was he? Even in KOTOR the game, I hear that the Dark Side ends up twisting and deforming devoted applicants to it.

In EP III, there should have been no change to Palpatine except more feeble and sickly looking. We knew who it was from the beginning of EP I, we didn't need Lucas to smear it in our faces as of how Palpatine got ugly. He was just unusually old and twisted because of the Dark Side. ROTJ the book explains this.

Aside from Palpatine being my biggest complaint because it was thrown in our faces, I hated what Lucas did to everyone else. I imagined more from reading the OT books, I saw a whole lot less in the PT.

[Helena]

Anakin, who else? I was expecting to see the 'good man' mentioned in the OT, not a Jedi version of Kevin the Teenager.

[diligent_d]

Vader takes the top position for this.

Yoda is a close second.

The Emperor comes in at third.

Rocket R2 is fourth.

And Chewbacca rounds it all out in fifth place.

Basically anyone that was wreckable, they ended up being wrecked.

[Vesuvius]

Basically anyone that was wreckable, they ended up being wrecked.

Exactly! I just wrote about Palpatine because it was the most obvious from EP I to II, then II to III. It was bad. All of it.

[Storm]

I didn't have any problems with Obi Wan in the PT.

[KurganX]

Threepio. The guy went from annoying to somewhat tolerable by the end.

The prequels would have us believe he was even worse back in the day!

I guess it was all the exposure to the goofichlorians that Jar Jar was giving off near him...

[Despondent]

I would like to hear Threepio speak in Jar-Jar's dialect.

This post has been edited by Despondent: 17 September 2006 - 04:33 PM

[Sailor Abbey]

which character did Lucas ruin the most for you and why?

Darth Vader, of course. He turned my tall, dark, homicidal hero into a whiny little pussy. If somebody would have told me the Darth Vader of the OT became the meanest mofo on the block by getting tricked into it, I would given them a firm karate chop to the face. Goddamn you George Lucas!

[miladyblue]

Since I am in denial that the PTs were ever made, let alone, were attached to my beloved Star Wars, I would say, "Everybody but Han Solo." But since I am protected by being the Queen of Denial, and sailing my barge on that famous river, nothing was ruined for me.

[sarcasm/]Since it was SO important to the plot that young Greedo and Boba Fett were included [/sarcasm] I am just glad that for whatever reason, Han as a child, was NOT integral to the plot. The mind boggles; what kind of soap opera would that have been?

HOWEVER, were I not the Queen of Denial, I would have to say the characters ruined for me were:

1. Darth Vader - I'm with you, Sailor Abbey, had I been told that the "good man" Luke was told about was a whiny little psycho pussy, I would have laughed myself sick, THEN administered the firm karate chop to the face, while yelling "HIIIEEEYAAHH!" like Miss Piggy.

2. Yoda - the wise, witty master we came to know and love so much in ESB is a heartless, mean spirited putz in his salad days.

3. The Emperor - I have forgiven him for being a cackling idiot in RotJ, because I figured he was nearing the end of his life, as a very old, twisted and evil man who had gotten overconfident. Then we find out that he was that way from the very beginning of his reign as Emperor. I loved ChefElf's gallery of Palpy's lightsaber grimaces - I now understand why there was no Empress. Who would want that in her face every time she got it on with the Emperor?

4. Obi Wan - Much like the complaint with Yoda, a beloved, wise mentor is an idiot in his heyday. I blame that more on poor plotting and dialogue, rather than on the character himself.

Of course, since I am on my barge, sailing Denial, nothing of the prequels has penetrated to spoil anything!

[Kuma]

Anakin, who else? I was expecting to see the 'good man' mentioned in the OT, not a Jedi version of Kevin the Teenager.

And the sad thing is that it would have taken exactly ONE 60 second scene in episode 2 or 3 to establish this:

Beggar J with a withered hand: Please, Sir Skywalker. A pittance for a fallen man in the wilderness.

ANAKIN SKYWALKER: What? How do you know my name?

Beggar J: All things possible in ye, my lord.

ANAKIN SKYWALKER: I don't understand. But (fumbles for words) ...please, take these credits from me. There you go. May the Force be with you.

Beggar J: And also with ye, sir. Tis ye who decides.

ANAKIN SKYWALKER: What do you mean?

Beggar J: Tis nothing, milord.

Etc.

Ironically even Hayden could've played that off well.

Heck to satisfy Lucas's stereotypes of "no character shall grow without my permission," it could've even been followed by:

Obi-wan: You should not have given him your credits.

ANAKIN: And why not?

Obi-wan: You don't know how he'll use them.

ANAKIN: I try to do good, Master. He was suffering. (looks down humbly)

This also would have illustrated exactly the point tha Luke got which Obi-wan and Yoda didn't...that the Force is also rooted in compassion in the present moment, not just conflict and empty ideals.

This post has been edited by Kuma: 31 October 2006 - 09:47 PM

[TruJade]

It only took three movies but Georgie boy ruined Mace Windu.

He was supposed to be on of the great jedi, second only to Yoda in the force and lightsaber skill.
Yet somehow he seemed to fall flat on his face in the end.

Even the animators of the clone wars shorts understood that Mace was not an easy take down.
When i saw him die in Eps. III i was absolutley disgusted.

A definate low point of the movie.
I remember there was all this hype about the great Samuel L. Jackson as a Jedi Master,

but aside form his cool ass entrance in the Geonosis stadium (AOTC) and his fight scene with Jango Fett, Mace was a complete let down.