[Darth Player]

In the Utaapu fighting scene in the backround, we see the clone troopers engage in a series of actions that make them seem like super commando types, showing the Republic got its money's worth, wheras in the OT, they're pretty much a group of bumbling idiots, despite inprovements in armor and weaponry with the progression of time. The audio commentary for ROTS states that they got a former Navy Seal to advise the CGI folks to make the movements and actions more realistic, which they are. Yet another inconsistency for one to ponder. Thank you ever so much, GL.....

[Gobbler]

There aren't any or many clone troopers left in the OT, they've been replaced with commonly recruited humans. I guess the recruiters didn't have a lucky day. Not much of an inconsistency, I'm afraid.

This post has been edited by Gobbler: 03 September 2006 - 01:12 PM

[Darth Player]

And your source for this nugget of information is?

[Gobbler]

The different trooper voices in the OT and the Star Wars books, I guess. I didn't find much evidence for why it should not be like this.

[Vesuvius]

In regards to this thread, what doesn't sit well with me is this: We have all these clones on growth acceleration, so in about five years, the clones' bodies are about in their mid twenties, prime for combat. They kick but and take names later in ROTS. Now, we had Jango Fett, but he was killed off, and I don't think it's a good idea to clone a clone. I know one drop of blood contains millions of strands of DNA, but how much of the original template do the beings on Kamino have? And be reminded, growth acceleration. If the clones from ATOC were in a EP IV, they would be really old or dead by now. Sure they've got a great number of clones, but they are all made to grow about five times their normal rate of growth. I'd say in EP IV and later, those were just ordinary people looking for work with the Empire. Remeber, roughly 24 years past from the batch of clones we saw on Kamino up to the events in EP IV. Besides, the Empire is so big and powerfull, I'm sure it would be a great opportunity to join and see the galaxy.

Look at the Admirals, Commanders, Generals, and Captains, none of them are clones. But wait, George Lucas might "fix" that soon enough.... (sigh)

[miladyblue]

With regards to there being few or no clones left to serve as troops during the OT era, maybe the recruiters were not that good in their choice of inductees.

They may have opted to take anyone in who had a pulse, and that was their only criteria. Of course, considering the level of (non) tactics the Empire was really capable of, perhaps they HAD to take the real dummies to serve as cannon fodder, trying to engage the rebels in a battle of numbers.

The Empire had the numbers, but the rebels had the brains and superior tactics.

[Darth Player]

If I'm not mistaken, Jango hit his head in a characteristic manner when going through a passageway, and there was a big deal made in the commentary that this is a trait that the clone troopers and later the stormtroopers had, as well as Leia's line in ANH "Aren't you a little short to be a stormtrooper?" would seem to indicate that much of the army were still clones from Kimono or from another facility.

[Cyzyk]

In regards to this thread, what doesn't sit well with me is this: We have all these clones on growth acceleration, so in about five years, the clones' bodies are about in their mid twenties, prime for combat. They kick but and take names later in ROTS. Now, we had Jango Fett, but he was killed off, and I don't think it's a good idea to clone a clone. I know one drop of blood contains millions of strands of DNA, but how much of the original template do the beings on Kamino have? And be reminded, growth acceleration. If the clones from ATOC were in a EP IV, they would be really old or dead by now. Sure they've got a great number of clones, but they are all made to grow about five times their normal rate of growth. I'd say in EP IV and later, those were just ordinary people looking for work with the Empire.

They aren't neccesarily on growth acceleration, it may be maturity acceleration. I've done some minor research on the way the body and mind mature for a SF story, and it's quite possible (in a SF universe, not the real world) to make someone grow to maturity faster without making them continue to age. In theory, such a person would have a slightly shorter lifespan, since they'd lose the superior regenerative processes children have faster, but that's mostly irrelevant to cloned soldiers. One would assume the clones are designed for longevity at the stage of life most suitable for combat, so I'd assume they'd last at least 30 years.

I say assume, because it is Star Wars. For all I know, the clones die after they've lived 12 parsecs...

[Otal Nimrodi]

Well... I remember reading somewhere that Han joined the Storm Trooper training thinger...

And I don't think he was a clone...

So the Storm Troopers ain't necessarily clones.

[Cyzyk]

I thought he was a TIE fighter pilot or something? In either case, he doesn't seem to have a clue about normal military procedures.

"Everything's fine. How are things with you?" doesn't quite sound like Imperial Protocol.

[Despondent]

And that's why it was humorous. If clones had an accelarated birth/death span, there would need to be a continued supply. Amazingly, the clones wiped out the jedi easy enough, but none would survive to the OT.

They must have been drafted. Can't imagine who would sign up for that.

Annd... Did you realize that: sixty-six stands for "sithy-sith"? Jango had a lisp.