[Frank the Rabbit]

they should have swapped certain scenes in those two movies. like, Otah gunga should have been put during the conference scene, and they should havd raced pod's through endor. make all the ewoks a bunch of little jar jars, and make jar jar one really short fat ewok with scabies, and you have a good comic relief. and they should have added in the ghosts of all the follwing people at the end of return of the jedi.


Jabba the hutt
Captain Panaka
salacious p crumb
george lucas(for his cameo)
jar jar binks
scabied ewok(lets call him kobort)
the entire jedi council
luke skywalker?????
and tyler durden

[barend]

and 9D9

[Sailor Abbey]

they should have swapped certain scenes in those two movies. like, Otah gunga should have been put during the conference scene, and they should havd raced pod's through endor. make all the ewoks a bunch of little jar jars, and make jar jar one really short fat ewok with scabies, and you have a good comic relief. and they should have added in the ghosts of all the follwing people at the end of return of the jedi.
Jabba the hutt
Captain Panaka
salacious p crumb
george lucas(for his cameo)
jar jar binks
scabied ewok(lets call him kobort)
the entire jedi council
luke skywalker?????
and tyler durden

Scabies. Ha!

[Despondent]

Thanks Movie goer! Good to see you as always.

[KurganX]

An entire movie dedicated to rescuing Han from Jabba? Have you lost your mind? There are so many things in Jabba's palace that just don't work or make any sense, such as:

1. Luke uses force grip to choke the guards. I'm pretty sure Jedi aren't supposed to use this, and who the hell trained him how to do it anyway? Yoda?

Says who? Isn't this expanded universe (role playing game, which came out in 1987 is a major culprit for starting many of them) crap you're assuming here?

Let's see... is Luke turning into Vader?

Wears black, check.
Robot hand, check.
Chokes people, check.

Symbolism? Nah!

2. The fact that Luke has this "great plan" to rescue Han, yet all he does is show up and attempt to use the Jedi Mind trick on Jabba. Well thought out!

I agree with you there. I guess Lucas wanted to finally show the hero(es) pull a crazy plan and have it NOT work for once.

3. Droids being tortured.

Yes, that was stupid, especially since it was played for laughs. Droid slavery and dismemberment are much more subtle.

4. Lando, who probably was on Jabba's hit list at one point, manages to sneak in and become one of the guards by using the worst disguise ever! It's so obvious it is him!

Why would he be on Jabba's hit list? We have no evidence whatsoever that he ever met Jabba. Just because he was once friends with Han? He's described as a "card player, gambler, a real scoundrel" but nothing about him being an ex-Tatooine smuggler like Han Solo. If he never met Jabba, there's no reason to assume he'd be identified. It's possible that a "wanted poster" is it were might have gone up for him from the Empire after the incident at Cloud City a year prior, but that's about the only way Jabba could have found out anything. But it's not like there was a price on his head.

5. The singing. Can't say I am a big fan of "Jedi Rocks".

Screw the Special Edition, I'm with you there. But having alien music in ROTJ is no more objectionable than it was in ANH (with or without lyrics). At least Lapti Nek seemed a bit more alien and didn't feature cartoon dust bunnies in closeup. Now the Ewoks singing might still annoy you, but the Special Edition replaced that with flute music, so either way you've got some singing. And "Jedi Rocks" is just a stupid name.

6. Boba Fett's fluke death. Reminds me of how Anakin destroyed the Droid Control Ship in TPM.

Boba Fett was never cool. Who cares how some minor character dies? Anakin destroying the Droid Control ship was a major plot point and supposed to demonstrate the sheer awesomeness of the character and his great destiny and all that. Boba Fett becoming a fanboy favorite was the fluke not his dying.

Would you rather he crawled out of the Sarlaac and flew away like the other fanboys want? Or how about Luke cut his friggin' head off with his saber like Mace Windu? I could get behind that for a change..

7. Han holding no grudge vs. Lando for completely betraying him. I understand Lando is trying to save his life, but you would expect Han would at least make a comment regarding Lando's betrayal after he was released from the carbon freeze.

True dat. The moment where he's pointing the gun is supposed to be suspensful. But Han's got a heart now, remember? Did Luke hold a grudge because Han abandoned them and perhaps because of that many of his fellow pilots, including his childhood friend Biggs, are dead? But yes, at least we got his initial anger (just like we got Han's initial anger at Lando).

Han did seem pretty pissed off (he was more pissed off about setting Luke up, than his own safety), but Lando did end up helping save his butt and it's not like Lando could just tell Vader and the Imperials to screw off at the start.

8. If Jabba had any brains, then why didn't he just get his guards to shoot Han, Luke, and Chewie?

Because then he'd be smarter than all the comic book and classic movie villians ever... why didn't the Empire have Princess Leia shot? Or why didn't they shoot Han and company when they had them in custody? And so forth. They always go the slow route so that the good guys have a chance to escape. Jabba was clearly setup as a sadist, who wanted to have them die slowly and painfully.

Like Count Dooku and the Geonosis Arena in AOTC, Jabba must have really had his mind set on feeding them to the Sarlaac Pit.

Initially he was satisifed with the much quicker (but still theatrical) Rancor killing. When that failed, he went the Sarlaac route. He already had had Han in carbonite which was cool because he could use him as a decoration (and could always bring him out of it to torture and kill later if it suited him). Leia he wanted as a pet.

9. In general, the whole sequence of events in Jabba's palace is just plain silly and extremely boring. There's a reason why ESB is the best movie.... there is NO Tatooine in it. Tatooine is such a boring setting for anything to take place.

I agree Tatooine is boring, and unfortunately, featuring Tatooine in ROTJ contributed to making it a major planet in the EU and then the Prequels focusing on it which made Tatooine even more popular. But the sequences IN Tatooine, boring? Why?

What makes fields of snow more interesting to you than fields of sand? I'm not sure this is really a weakness of ROTJ, and just a bias in favor of ESB.

You like what you like, but seriously, if we go into the flaws of Episode I, ROTJ becomes a masterpiece by comparison, even if you're a hardcore ROTJ hater.

[Bond]

Is ROTJ better than TPM? No.

I do believe, however, that it is better than AOTC.