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Do You Think Vader Got Any Additional Training From Palpatine? From what we see in ROTS and the OT, It Doesn't seem so

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 09:52 AM

QUOTE (MyPantsAreOnFire @ Aug 23 2006, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why is it such a big deal that he blocked the blaster fire with his hand? HIS HANDS ARE MADE OF METAL. It would be stupid if he couldn't block it with his ROBOTIC ARMS MADE OUT OF METAL.

We didn't KNOW his hands were made of metal. It was INTERESTING the less we knew. But now we know DV has an iron hand and invented threepio, isn't it so much better? yell.gif
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 10:20 AM

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So, if Vader suddenly lost his testicles, wouldn't that cause his hormone levels to plummet?


His hormone levels plummeted with that "Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!" scream at the end of ROTS.
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 07:33 PM

QUOTE (diligent_d @ Aug 23 2006, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
His hormone levels plummeted with that "Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!" scream at the end of ROTS.



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Posted 24 August 2006 - 06:47 AM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Aug 23 2006, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We didn't KNOW his hands were made of metal. It was INTERESTING the less we knew. But now we know DV has an iron hand and invented threepio, isn't it so much better? yell.gif


We knew it was made of metal like Luke's as soon as he got his fakey Mr. Roboto hand chopped off in ROTJ. It's not like we had to wait until the PT to find that out.
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 11:13 PM

Even if you were to presume that; Luke had not yet lost his hand, ok? Just another cool reveal in the OT, ruined by that other trilogy.
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 05:37 PM

If it's not on the screen then it doesn't exist.

Anakin claimed to have been mentored by Palpatine but we never saw it, therefore it never happened.

It was mentioned once in one scene in one film. All of 2 seconds was devoted to it.
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 07:29 PM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Aug 28 2006, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it's not on the screen then it doesn't exist.

Anakin claimed to have been mentored by Palpatine but we never saw it, therefore it never happened.

It was mentioned once in one scene in one film. All of 2 seconds was devoted to it.

If you go by that logic, then Lando never owned the Millenium Falcon since it was never shown on screen.
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 09:02 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Aug 28 2006, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you go by that logic, then Lando never owned the Millenium Falcon since it was never shown on screen.

Then it's a good thing the OT wasn't conjured up to revolve around Lando's ownership of the Millenium Falcon, isn't it? smile.gif
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Aug 28 2006, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you go by that logic, then Lando never owned the Millenium Falcon since it was never shown on screen.


We already know you don't believe anything the characters say since you refuse to accept that Luke could possibly have been a good pilot before the climactic battle in ANH.
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 09:23 PM

All Force-choke is, is squeezing someone's throat with the Force. It isn't a matter of if a Jedi could do it, but if they choose to. Since it is exclusive to the Dark Side.
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 09:36 PM

OT force-choke sucks air from victim's lungs.

PT just sucks.
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Posted 29 August 2006 - 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Storm @ Aug 28 2006, 07:29 PM)

If you go by that logic, then Lando never owned the Millenium Falcon since it was never shown on screen.


Then it's a good thing the OT wasn't conjured up to revolve around Lando's ownership of the Millenium Falcon, isn't it?


Now come on, Storm actually made a cogent, well reasoned objection.

QUOTE (Despondent @ Aug 28 2006, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OT force-choke sucks air from victim's lungs.



Is that really what it does? I had always read about the force-choke being described as feeling an invisible hand around your throat.

I would really like to think that Vader got extra training from Palpatine; I'm just at a loss at to what that training might have been.

But then, here's a thought. Do you think maybe Palpatine didn't really train Vader because the person that he really wanted to be his successor was Luke? I did get the impression that he was basically ready to throw Vader away if Luke turned to the Dark Side.

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Posted 06 September 2006 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Aug 22 2006, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Vader must have received some additional training as shown by:

1. His increased ability in being able to force choke people.


he choked padme... in ep 3

QUOTE (Storm @ Aug 22 2006, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. Being able to turn into a force ghost at the end of ROTJ.


well he didn't learn it from the emporer...

i think that was fuck up... there are only three jedi who die in the OT and they ALL become ghosts.
it only became a 'skill' as such in ep3. it was an issue that really should have been avoided in the PT.

QUOTE (Storm @ Aug 22 2006, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
3. Having the capacity to absorb blaster fire from Han Solo. (Speaking of which, how the fuck is that possible?)


i always thought that half had something to do with the suit.


either way...

you'd think somewhere in the two decades following the empoerers "sorry, i don't know that skill... i'll figure it out later, but welcome aboard" speach, that vader might have made the odd query...

VADER: "so... uh.. master... figure out that keep people alive thing yet?" happy.gif
EMPORER: "eh... no."
VADER: "hmmmm... well, uh... wanna teach me LVL 20 'force lightening'?" mellow.gif
EMPORER: "no... i don't think so."
VADER: "so er, why am i so loyal again?" huh.gif
EMPORER: "because i'm all you got."
VADER: "yeah, because you made me kill all my friends..." dry.gif
EMPORER: "so what are you saying?"
VADER: "nothing... nothing... maybe you should get some sleep..." shifty.gif
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Posted 06 September 2006 - 10:45 PM

What was that he said in AOTC?
"Someday, I'll be able... I'll be able to save people from DYING!"

Someday, pfftt. He'd Already given up.

Most powerful ever? He couldn't save himself from dying.


And OT lines are sure to be changed: "I haven't had this feeling since... Some day..." or perhaps:

Tarkin: "Vader, release him"
Vader: "I suppose I Can stop a person from dying"
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Posted 06 September 2006 - 11:15 PM

or

PIET: "they are using an older code... i was going to let them in -"
VADER: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
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