Chefelf.com Night Life: Pro-life or Pro-choice - Chefelf.com Night Life

Jump to content

  • (13 Pages)
  • +
  • « First
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
  • 7
  • Last »

Pro-life or Pro-choice what is your stand?

#61 User is offline   Deepsycher Icon

  • Giantness of Heart
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Former Members
  • Posts: 6,220
  • Joined: 22-December 05
  • Country:Nothing Selected

Posted 20 August 2006 - 11:48 AM

As for a computer that seems easily said. How about the number side of arguments.

For abortions messing up relationships could it be that they were unprepared?

I think everyone should be treated or respected equally as possible for men or ladies.
At least you may know who your friends are with hatred. You could try and understand them further then find people who are not that rather than using name calling.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 20 August 2006 - 11:51 AM

0

#62 User is offline   StarWarsIsUs Icon

  • Awesome Possum
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,358
  • Joined: 20-April 05
  • Location:Skywalker Ranch
  • Country:United States

Posted 20 August 2006 - 12:53 PM

QUOTE
Abortions can fuck up a relationship. My pal and his girlfriend pretty much ended it after the second abortion. My pal was a bit put off but his girlfriend started to resent him for it.


Two abortions? I assumed the first one was traumatizing enough for a woman. Sorry to hear about that. Hope your friend can cope with the mental/emotion pain over time.
SecretShadow (SuperShadow's main adversary)

Endor Holocaust
FIND OUT THE TRUTH
0

#63 User is offline   J m HofMarN Icon

  • Knows All The Girls Named Lola
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7,234
  • Joined: 24-May 04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rural Pahrump Nevada
  • Interests:Tyranny
  • Country:United States

Posted 20 August 2006 - 01:06 PM

Screw abortions. The use of contraceptives like condoms and the pill should be damned well mandatory except in special cases. There are too many damned people on this rock and you can't very well abort them all.

Quote

I don't know about you but I have never advocated that homosexuals, for any reason, be cut out of their mother's womb and thrown into a bin.
- Deucaon toes a hard line on gay fetus rights.
0

#64 User is offline   David-kyo Icon

  • Goatboy
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,305
  • Joined: 18-June 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:None of your business.
  • Country:Hungary

Posted 20 August 2006 - 02:50 PM

Interesting debate so far, however, I'd like to add a couple of arguments now.

One. About SOME of the pro-life people, how can they have the nerve to call themselves pro-life if they KILL DOCTORS who perform abortions? "We'll do anything to save a fetus, but we might have to kill it later on if it grows up to be a doctor!"??? Lol.

Two. Have you noticed most people who actively campaign against abortion (I'm talking about those politicians and celebrities you see on the telly ranting their arses off) are conservatives who pretend to care about fetuses only until they are born? They're obsessed with you from your conception to nine months, but after that, they lose interest in you until you reach military age.

Three. Many of the pro-choice people stand out for this idea because they want to remain politically correct, and not present their own ideas. I consider myself one of these people, even though some of you will probably hate me for it. The real idea they would like to put across is that there are too many people on this planet at the moment, we don't need many more, and they're simpler to kill in the foetal status than as a grown-up. Sorry if this pisses you off, but "You're not a human - till you're in my phone book." (-Bill Hicks)

(I'm not really THAT insensitive about this issue, okay? I just wrote that to illustrate my point more obviously.)

This post has been edited by David-kyo: 20 August 2006 - 02:52 PM

0

#65 User is offline   Deepsycher Icon

  • Giantness of Heart
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Former Members
  • Posts: 6,220
  • Joined: 22-December 05
  • Country:Nothing Selected

Posted 20 August 2006 - 04:32 PM

When you said that many of the pro-choice people stand out of this idea to remain politically correct, are you also suggesting that they are hypocrites?

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 20 August 2006 - 04:34 PM

0

#66 User is offline   Jordan Icon

  • Tummy Friend
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,161
  • Joined: 31-October 03
  • Location:Mars
  • Interests:I have none.
  • Country:Ethiopia

Posted 20 August 2006 - 06:50 PM

QUOTE
One. About SOME of the pro-life people, how can they have the nerve to call themselves pro-life if they KILL DOCTORS who perform abortions?


Nice, blow up a tiny case and make it a big deal. All of a sudden pro-life is a bad name since some guy killed a doctor.
Oh SMEG. What the smeggity smegs has smeggins done? He smeggin killed me. - Lister of Smeg, space bum
0

#67 User is offline   Spoon Poetic Icon

  • Pimpin'
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Moderators
  • Posts: 2,876
  • Joined: 27-September 05
  • Gender:Female
  • Country:United States

Posted 20 August 2006 - 07:28 PM

I also find it amusing that the republican party is pro-life but also pro-death penalty.

And since I'm the one that brought up the pain thing initially, and Madame C countered with animal-slaughter, I just wanted to say that I am indeed a vegetarian for the most part. I eat chicken from time to time to keep my body from shutting down due to lack of protein, but I would prefer to eat things that weren't once alive and slaughtered.
I am writing about Jm in my signature because apparently it's an effective method of ignoring him.
0

#68 User is offline   Cobnat Icon

  • Viva Phillippena Radio!
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,631
  • Joined: 25-December 05
  • Location:I am in atheist heaven.
  • Interests:Body Disposal.
  • Country:Australia

Posted 20 August 2006 - 07:32 PM

QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ Aug 20 2006, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sure thing... But you still wish them cunt rot? Sorry, this is nothing personal, I am just curious - you expressed such hatred just a few posts ago, and now you say you don't care as long as such people stay out of your way? I just can't quite imagine all those man-whores and bitches all crowding to accost you near your school entrance...


I have never wished Cunt Rot to anyone, its a disease women get from having way to much sex, why would I wish that apon someone if the only way to get it is something Im aginst?

---

I would just like to add an argument for Pro-Choice...

Dispite were you stand, women will still get abortions, back when abortions were still Illegal in Australia, women would go to unlicensed doctors to get abortions, some of them would die during the operations, some of them would never have childgren again, some of them would get raped by the doctor before hand... If abortions are made/kept legal then at least the operations would be done under the eyes of the law.

Although I am for Abortion, I think that every operations should cost 200$, so women dont do it too often.

QUOTE (Spoon Poetic @ Aug 20 2006, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also find it amusing that the republican party is pro-life but also pro-death penalty.


As Reagans wife once said: "People would be alive today, if there was a death penalty in every state"

This post has been edited by Cobnat: 20 August 2006 - 07:34 PM

0

#69 User is offline   MyPantsAreOnFire Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 317
  • Joined: 15-May 06
  • Country:United States

Posted 20 August 2006 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Aug 20 2006, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nice, blow up a tiny case and make it a big deal. All of a sudden pro-life is a bad name since some guy killed a doctor.


Two things...are you willfully ignoring the huge "SOME" he prefaced the whole thing with?

Secondly, while anti-abortion violence is a tiny, tiny extremist sect of that movement, to dismiss it as just "some guy killing a doctor" is appalling.

QUOTE
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation, an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 7 murders, 17 attempted murders, 3 kidnappings, 375 death threats, 655 anthrax threats, 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 89 attempted bombings or arsons, 1347 incidences of trespassing, 1213 incidences of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid, in addition to other disruptive and violent occurrences. [4]

In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has claimed the lives of 7 people, including 3 doctors, 2 clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort. [5]

Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida, was fatally shot during a protest on March 10, 1993. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of the year before. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot outside of another facility in Pensacola June 29, 1994. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed when two separate clinics in Brookline, Massachusetts and Norfolk, Virginia were both attacked on December 30, 1994. John Salvi was later convicted. He committed suicide in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head.
Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, died when his workplace was bombed on January 29, 1998. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot dead at his home in Amherst, New York on October 23, 1998. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
A fourth doctor, George Patterson, was shot in Mobile, Alabama on August 21, 1993, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery. [6] Others have been injured, often seriously, as a result of anti-abortion violence in the United States: [7] [8] [9]

Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas in August of 1993. Rachelle Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence.
June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
Five individuals were wounded in the same-day shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
Dr. Calvin Jackson was stabbed in December 1996.
A physician whose name has not been revealed was shot in his home in Rochester, New York on October 28, 1997.
Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

The Nuremberg Files was a controversial anti-abortion web site which published the names, home addresses, telephone numbers, and other personal information of abortion providers – highlighting the names of those who had been wounded and striking out those of which had been killed. The site was accused of being a thinly-veiled hit list intended to incite violence; others claimed that it was protected under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. [10] A 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision finally shut the site down in 2002 after a prolonged debate.


QUOTE
Violence has also occurred in Canada, where three doctors have been attacked to date. There is speculation that the timing of the shootings is related to the Canadian observance of Remembrance Day. The physicians were part of pattern of attacks, which targeted providers in Canada and upstate New York, including Dr. Barnett Slepian. All victims were shot in their homes with a rifle, at dusk, in late October or early November. James Kopp was charged with the murder of Dr. Slepian and the attempted murder of Dr. Short; he is suspected of having committed the other shootings as well. [11] [12]

Dr. Garson Romalis of Vancouver, British Columbia is shot on November 8, 1994.
Dr. Hugh Short of Ancaster, Ontario is shot on November 10, 1995.
Dr Jack Fainman of Winnepeg, Manitoba is shot on November 11, 1997.
Dr. Romalis also survived being stabbed by an unindentified assailant in the lobby of his clinic on July 11, 2000. [13]


QUOTE
Stephen Rogers, a security guard at the Fertility Control Clinic in Melbourne, Australia was shot in the face and killed by Peter James Knight on Monday, July 16, 2001. [14]


QUOTE (Cobnat @ Aug 20 2006, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have never wished Cunt Rot to anyone, its a disease women get from having way to much sex, why would I wish that apon someone if the only way to get it is something Im aginst?


OK, I'm really baffled here...you're against sex? Or just "too much sex?" What qualifies as "too much sex?"

And there's no such disease as "cunt rot." If you seriously believe that, I wouldn't be surprised to hear the idea of a "pussy troll" tossed out next.

QUOTE
Although I am for Abortion, I think that every operations should cost 200$, so women dont do it too often.


In my previous post, I went out of my way to point out that pro-life supporters who attack or kill abortion doctors/health care workers are in the tiny minority of that movement, so too are these phantom women who get abortions left and right "like it ain't no thang." Yes, you will find some people who ultimately don't weigh the experience as being something too important or serious, but the vast majority of people who experience the procedure, either as the pregnant woman or just the people in her life, find an abortion to be very serious, significant and trying as any other serious to major medical procedure, with added psychological and or emotional situations or even ramifications. Continually spouting off like the majority of women who opt to have an abortion act like it's just a trip to the ATM is tremendously insulting.
0

#70 User is offline   Cobnat Icon

  • Viva Phillippena Radio!
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,631
  • Joined: 25-December 05
  • Location:I am in atheist heaven.
  • Interests:Body Disposal.
  • Country:Australia

Posted 20 August 2006 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE (MyPantsAreOnFire @ Aug 20 2006, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And there's no such disease as "cunt rot." If you seriously believe that, I wouldn't be surprised to hear the idea of a "pussy troll" tossed out next.


hehe, pussy troll, thats pretty clever... but cunt rot does exist although goes under a different name... I just used 'cunt rot' becouse it sounds more insulting.

QUOTE (MyPantsAreOnFire @ Aug 20 2006, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my previous post, I went out of my way to point out that pro-life supporters who attack or kill abortion doctors/health care workers are in the tiny minority of that movement, so too are these phantom women who get abortions left and right "like it ain't no thang." Yes, you will find some people who ultimately don't weigh the experience as being something too important or serious, but the vast majority of people who experience the procedure, either as the pregnant woman or just the people in her life, find an abortion to be very serious, significant and trying as any other serious to major medical procedure, with added psychological and or emotional situations or even ramifications. Continually spouting off like the majority of women who opt to have an abortion act like it's just a trip to the ATM is tremendously insulting.


The minority is just as important as the majority and if what you say is corrent then 200$ is fine becouse the majority dont have abortions all too often anway.
0

#71 User is offline   Dr Lecter Icon

  • Almighty God Of All Morals
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,132
  • Joined: 03-January 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Crawley/Hull
  • Country:United Kingdom

Posted 20 August 2006 - 09:08 PM

Damn, now I know why we shipped all those people out to Australia.
0

#72 User is offline   MyPantsAreOnFire Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 317
  • Joined: 15-May 06
  • Country:United States

Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:01 PM

QUOTE (Cobnat @ Aug 20 2006, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hehe, pussy troll, thats pretty clever... but cunt rot does exist although goes under a different name... I just used 'cunt rot' becouse it sounds more insulting.


Then what exactly are you talking about?

And what is "too much sex?"

QUOTE
The minority is just as important as the majority


Please explain how that little bit of anti-logic works.

QUOTE
and if what you say is corrent then 200$ is fine becouse the majority dont have abortions all too often anway.


Based on what? "Moral tax?" That's ridicuously subjective and an insanely slippery slope.
0

#73 User is offline   Spoon Poetic Icon

  • Pimpin'
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Moderators
  • Posts: 2,876
  • Joined: 27-September 05
  • Gender:Female
  • Country:United States

Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:45 PM

There's no such thing as "too much sex!" tongue.gif
I am writing about Jm in my signature because apparently it's an effective method of ignoring him.
0

#74 User is offline   MyPantsAreOnFire Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 317
  • Joined: 15-May 06
  • Country:United States

Posted 20 August 2006 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (Spoon Poetic @ Aug 20 2006, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no such thing as "too much sex!" tongue.gif


Amen.

Reading Cobnat's posts makes me worried someone's gonna kick down my door for not just having sex through a hole in the sheet with the lights off with the sole purpose of trying to make a child.

"No sir, I swear! It was awful and gross! I'll never do it again!"
0

#75 User is offline   Gobbler Icon

  • God damn it, Nappa.
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4,560
  • Joined: 26-December 05
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Three octaves down to your left.
  • Interests:Thermonuclear warfare and other pleasantries.
  • Country:Nothing Selected

Posted 21 August 2006 - 01:56 AM

Amen indeed. That's all I've gotta say for now.

Quote

Pop quiz, hotshot. Garry Kasparov is coming to kill you, and the only way to change his mind is for you to beat him at chess. What do you do, what do you do?
0

  • (13 Pages)
  • +
  • « First
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
  • 7
  • Last »


Fast Reply

  • Decrease editor size
  • Increase editor size