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Handing over democracy to a tyrant a George Lucas rant

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 05:46 PM

George Lucas: Many of you may have noticed that in Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine had slowley taken over the Republic, using means of treachory and manipulation. If you listen to the commentaries, you will hear how I talked about many countries actually handing over democracy to a leader; many think it is temporary, to repair the damage done to the politics of the country, but in many cases it turns into a dictatorship. Do you guys think this is what Bush has done? He didn't fairly win the election, and he has the say in just about everything... who knows? Maybe he has the electorial college AND the United Nations rigged to his liking. And he threatens anyone in the UN who disagrees with him.
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Posted 12 August 2006 - 11:48 AM

He doesn't have the UN rigged, he just wields enormous power, being in one of the big 5. Hence the US can veto any negative action against Israel whenever they have a new slew of sanctions planned due to violating international law (pointed out because it's a recent and relevant exercise in power).

But while this is a thought-provoking topic, Star Wars + debate kinda makes me queasy, and this has been discussed in length many times before. In fact, it was part of Hannibal's crash and burn into banning.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 06:40 PM

big 5?
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 09:32 PM

The permanent members of the UN, made so because they won WWII. They are the US, China, Russia, Britain, and France.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (Slade @ Aug 13 2006, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The permanent members of the UN, made so because they won WWII. They are the US, China, Russia, Britain, and France.


The United States, Russia and France being republics.
Britian being a Constitutional Monarchy.
China being a Military Capitalist Dictatorship.

I would just like to point out that dispite their types of Goverment, the United States, Russia and China are the largest suppliers of world weaponary. Since they are permament members, they can do anything they want, ironic, that the UN is run by constant abusers of human rights. (mainly china)

(this is not an attack on Slade but rather just some usless info I know)
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Posted 14 August 2006 - 12:00 AM

that's the big 5? the winners of WW2?

the US; who only joined in at the last minute because they hadn't decided which side they wanted to be on?
Russia; who stole plans for nuclear wepons from the US and started a slow drawn out arms race, and handing out the plans to every enemy under the sun.
China; who armed two countires with whome the US went to war.
France; who supplied the battle grounds for WW2

no inclusion of Australia, who were in there fighting the whole time.
no mention of india who were difusing all the bombs and mines fro the british
no mention of holland who hid a majority of jews from the nazis

the big 5 who won WW2 indeed.

a bunch of late starters and communists.... bah.
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Posted 14 August 2006 - 09:18 AM

I never said it was a remotely intelligent way to do things. Cobnat: I couldn't see what you said as an attack on me no matter how hard I tried. No harm, no foul, dear sir.
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Posted 14 August 2006 - 09:48 AM

It know that China is large in manufacturing but I didn't know about the guns. Yet the UN is trying to sort out Iran over their Nuclear programme which China voted against it. The very country that is running on secrets. But it is seems okay for America to trade with India on nuclear energy.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (Cobnat @ Aug 14 2006, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would just like to point out that dispite their types of Goverment, the United States, Russia and China are the largest suppliers of world weaponary.

I would like to say that this is technically wrong... but its more than technically wrong there are top 8 in order:

1. United States- $18,500,000,000
2. Russia- $4,600,000,000
3. France- $4,400,000,000
4. United Kingdom- $1,900,000,000
5. Germany- $900,000,000
6. Canada- $900,000,000
7. China- $700,000,000
8. Israel- $500,000,000

As you can see, China is not one of largest, infact they only just manage to make it into the top 8. If we want to be really technical, we can see that numbers 2 to 8 make just under $14 billion between them, so America makes around £4.5billion more than the next 7 largest suppliers. In crack terms, this is like the guy on you're corner competing with Pablo Escobar (when he was still alive).

Infact, China and India are the biggest arms IMPORTERS.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:43 PM

Please cite your sources, Dr.

Edit: Poor punctuation fixed!

Edit2: Poor punctuation really fixed! Also (sp).

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 10:05 PM

I mean for manufacturing and not so much in money, it make sense to me that companies go there to open up their plants as it is cheaper for waste disposal as well as cheap labour. From a document I saw they actually dump the waste into rivers, the factories send out the toxic waste into the rivers untreated and they don't have filters to filter out the smoke before it leaves the chimneys.

There are groups there that are doing something about it but some corrupt businessmen sent them death threats and told them that the pollution "does not concern them."
Well it would if they fell ill from the effects.

I wonder how much percent does America play a part in owning manufacturing plants there?

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Dr Lecter @ Aug 17 2006, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would like to say that this is technically wrong... but its more than technically wrong there are top 8 in order:

1. United States- $18,500,000,000
2. Russia- $4,600,000,000
3. France- $4,400,000,000
4. United Kingdom- $1,900,000,000
5. Germany- $900,000,000
6. Canada- $900,000,000
7. China- $700,000,000
8. Israel- $500,000,000

As you can see, China is not one of largest, infact they only just manage to make it into the top 8. If we want to be really technical, we can see that numbers 2 to 8 make just under $14 billion between them, so America makes around £4.5billion more than the next 7 largest suppliers. In crack terms, this is like the guy on you're corner competing with Pablo Escobar (when he was still alive).

Infact, China and India are the biggest arms IMPORTERS.


Although the main reason for that is becouse China is a bridge between the West and Middle-East.

How the hell did Israel get in 8th place!?
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Posted 18 August 2006 - 12:50 AM

QUOTE (Slade @ Aug 17 2006, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please cite your sorces, Dr..

Edit: Poor punctuation fixed!



What's funny is... You still have poor punctuation (you are to let the period of the abbreviation double as the end-of-sentence period), and you misspelled "sources." tongue.gif
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Posted 18 August 2006 - 03:35 AM

Hang on a sec, I'll have to walk over to the complainin' thread to complain about Miss Poetic always being faster than me...

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 07:30 AM

I r t3h suck. Alas. I also disagree with overloading my punctuation. But I'll fix it, and leave your post up to contain the crapy original post. The worst part is I originally had only one period at the end of that sentence and edited it to fix it. I also dunno how I missed the damned u in sources. Typos plus not looking at everything I've written, I guess.

I'd guess because it has a very active military and receives billions of dollars in funding for its country from the United States each year. They get free stuff, and then make a whole lot of their own.

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