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G-Damn It! The Clive Revell Emperor Was More Convincing Than the Added Ian McDiarmond Insert in the ESB DVD/Special Edition

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 11:30 AM

I was thinking about this thread earlier today and I feel that the Clive Revell/ old woman approach was just right. These two should have done RotJ and Lucas could have kept this same style for the PT. What I was thinking was how alluring this disconected character would be, never to cackle, or have it's mouth hang open in near orgasmic delight about someone turning to the dark side. Instead, being that it's a woman playing Palpatine and voiced by a man, the Emporer should have been more like a mother wolf: Sympathetic, almost nurturing, always calm in a solid male voice. Teaching Luke that the dark side is not evil as the Jedi put it, but rather follows the natural order of things, a la Master Uthar from KOTOR.

Thoughts that occured to me where like this:

*Luke and Vader arrive before the Emporer in his throne room*

Clive Revell Emporer: I am so pleased to finally meet you, my child.
Luke: I will not be your servant of the dark side.
CRE: Servant? It is the Jedi's will that you serve. Acceptance of my teachings will free you from the bondage that you chose.
Luke: The Jedi code is founded on discipline.
CRE: You do not know discipline with only knowing the ways of the Jedi. I can perfect your discipline. You must learn all there is about the Force. Do not limit yourself. I am comforted by your potential. I can feed you much knowledge. Moreso than Yoda or Obi-wan.
Luke: No, ...soon I'll be dead, and you with me.
CRE: If you are refering to your Rebel fleet, then you will be dissapointed to know that I have already counteracted their efforts. I can teach you the arts of war, if only you let me.
Luke: (looks sadened, angered, confused)
CRE: Do not let your confusion halt you in making wise decisions, my child. Come, there is much to be learned.

*close scene*

BTW, should I put all of this somewhere else on these forums, like in the fanfiction section? Tell me what you guys think.
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Posted 08 May 2007 - 09:42 PM

Yeah I can't stand the DVD version of the ESB Emperor! The original was by far the best. The new one has that giant, butt-like head, neon-yellow eyes, and triple neck folds ... hmmmm ... kinda looks a bit like George Lucas now that I think about it. whistling.gif ...
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Posted 09 May 2007 - 12:56 PM

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butt-like head,


Emperor: Wipe them out, all of them!

Maul: ...

Emperor: Huh-huh, huh-huh, huh-huh

Maul: Something funny, my master?

Emperor: Huh-huh, I just said "wipe" huh-huh, huh

Maul: Heh, oh yeah, heh-heh, heh-heh-heh

Emperor: Huh-huh, that was cool, huh-huh-huh

Maul: Yeah, yeah! *pulls shirt collar over head* HEHEHEHHE
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 03:40 PM

Yeh I prefered it the way it was.
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Post icon  Posted 14 July 2007 - 12:05 AM

Oddly enough, I thought the original scene was less intimidating; must just be me, I suppose. blushing.gif

If anything, it makes the scene tie in better with the prequels. ohmy.gif
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:29 AM

"If anything, it makes the scene tie in better with the prequels. ohmy.gif
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Exactly - just more proof that the orginal prequel story line was vastly different from the crap we saw on screen. So Lucas is doing everything he can (even if it ruins the Orginal Trilogy) to try to make it seem like he wrote them all as one big story.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:59 AM

Who says it's ruining them? blink.gif
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 06:13 PM

Have to agree. I remember not expecting to see him at all in rotj at least in real form, but rotj surprised me in many ways...anyway, in the landing bay he still somewhat maintained that mysterious spirit quality with a certain dignity, that is until he did the evil laugh. Then the throne room scenes completely succumbed to cliches and he revealed himself to be a vile, decrepit old fart gifted with wizard lightning...by that point I almost expected him to yell 'heh heh, that's what you get for walking on my lawn!". For the record, no slight to McDiarmid, as he played the part well, I'm sure perfectly as to how Lucas envisioned it.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 06:21 PM

Good to welcome a new member to a great site. smile.gif (Shakes hand) Consider this place a sanctuary where you are mostly safe from the sheer bulls... factor of internet message boards.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 09:31 AM

I didn't know about this one till I saw it on an hbo run of empire. it was really hard to watch. I don't know if it's just that it's against what I'm used to, like being grated by a slightly off cover of a song you know really well, but mcdirmids reinterpretation of this scene just seemed really dry and lacking. I remember clive revell's delivery of 'yes...he could become a great ..asset' sending shivers up my spine over and over.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 11:28 AM

Maybe they'll spruce it up for 2008.

Also, I hope they put in an ending Palpatine/Vader scene on Coruscant into ANH to better lead into TESB. It'd be sort of similar to that Sidious/Dooku scene in AOTC, except with much better acting.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 12:33 PM

two things

where are they going to get this much better acting?

and the robot chicken scene with the emperor making fun of vader on coruscant after a new hope, basically the same thing, sort of, but it's just incongruous with all the PT references. it's dead grotty. funny, but dead grotty.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 12:46 PM

Well, I mean, it could go like this:

EXT. CORUSCANT-SPACE

The camera slowly pans down to the show the vast world of CORUSCANT, dimly glittering in the darkness of space. Few ships depart and enter her atmosphere now, and the artificial suns have been decimated. A lone advanced TIE FIGHTER enters from the corner of the screen and hurtles toward the planet. It enters CORUSCANT'S atmosphere.

EXT. CORUSCANT-UPPER LEVELS

The awesome city-planet looks entirely different. What was once a glittering capitol is now a wasteland of destruction. Ruins lie everywhere, and the only tall standing building nearby is the Galactic Senate Building. As the fighter nears its destination, it drifts into a massive construction yard above the Senate, a vast skeletal super star destroyer floating there. It makes its way towards a small, temporary docking bay set into the side of the framework. As the fighter lands, and DARTH VADER climbs out of his ship, a dark cloaked figure moves in from the side of the screen.

EMPEROR:
Welcome home, Lord Vader.

Vader moves towards the Emperor and kneels.

EMPEROR:
You may rise.

VADER rises and begins to move slowly toward the hanger exit with his master. A hint of a sly smile creeps over the EMPEROR’S lips.

EMPEROR
You are back early, Lord Vader. I presume the Rebellion has been crushed.

VADER is visibly shaken.

DARTH VADER:
It appears that Governor Tarkin underestimated our adversary...

The EMPEROR stops and turns slowly to look at Vader.

DARTH VADER:
...the Death Star has been destroyed.

EMPEROR:
WHAT?!

As he says this there is a low rumbling sound, and Vader slightly stumbles. His breathing suddenly quickens and becomes laborious. It is clear he is choking, but after a second the Emperor reconsiders and the choking stops. The Emperor gives Vader a second to compose himself before the pair enter a side hallway.

EMPEROR: (angry and hissing)
This is no matter, a minor setback. The might of the Death Star cannot compare to the power of the Dark Side of the Force. Your arrogance and stupidity have won the rebels a minor victory, but it is fleeting. Soon the Rebellion will be crushed, and nothing will oppose my rule.

The EMPEROR enters a magnificent elevator flanked by Royal Guards. VADER stands just outside of the elevator, and awaits his master's request.

EMPEROR:
You will return to the Outer Rim, and distract this so-called "rebellion" from the trap I am laying for them.

VADER:
What do you mean?

EMPEROR:
I am planning for a new Death Star to bring about the extermination of the Alliance. Send no Grand Moffs to the construction site. Instead, dispatch... dispatch Commander Jerjerrod. He will serve us well.

VADER:
Yes, my Master.

EMPEROR:
You have the might of my fleet at your disposal, unlimited resources and my finest legions of troops. Surely this is a simple task for a Dark Lord of the Sith ?

DARTH VADER:
It is.

The EMPEROR detects the eager-to-please tone in VADER’S voice and frowns.

EMPEROR:
Patience... soon, the galaxy will be brought into balance, and you will have helped to make it so.

DARTH VADER:
I am honored, my Master.

VADER kneels once more and then turns to leave, but the EMPEROR stops him, a look of intense fury crossing his face.

EMPEROR:
But Lord Vader... you will not fail me again.

A Royal Guard enters the elevator, the doors close, and VADER stands alone, shaking. It is obvious that something is infuriating the Dark Lord. He turns, looking both ways, and finally begins to slowly walk away, back towards his fighter. As he departs, there is a low rumbling sound, and the remaining Royal Guard staggers. Grabbing his throat, he falls to his knees and gurgles for a few moments. Finally, his life departs him, leaving Vader to quietly brood in the now-empty hangar.
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