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Indictable Offenses! What you indict GL on for what he's done to SW

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 08:33 PM

I’m working on a short story and I want to know:

What indictable offenses would you charge GL with for what he has done to the SW saga?

For example:

1. Having Greedo shoot first to rewrite Han as acting in self-defense instead of the cold-blooded murderer that he is.

2. Choosing a lame, woosy actor to portray Anakin Skywalker

3. Creating the pointless animated character of Jar Jar Binks


The above are examples. I'd appreciate one sentence statements. And if you could limit it to one - three offenses, at the most, in the order of greatest first to least greatest offense. I don't want nit picky topics, but huge offenses that would merit an essay devoted to defending the statement. If a reader in this forum is inclined to say: "who cares?" then the offense wasn't compelling enough.

A who-cares offense might be: Luke's lightsaber should have been red in ROTS.

An more substantive offense might be: GL passed up a superb visual convention when he chose not to give Anakin a red lightsaber when he tried to kill Obi-Wan.


[BTW, I’ve had this idea for this story since EP II, but a new book (which I haven’t read yet) called Star Wars on Trial, which was just published in June, inspired me to work on the story again. In this new book, Stover & Brin put GL on trial based on the charges Brin put forward in an online article. Brin defense his charges, Stover refutes them. Other notable Sci-fi authors also join in.]

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 08:48 PM

that didnt make any sense, im going to be honest with you
OH NO!!!
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Posted 26 July 2006 - 09:30 PM

Not even remotely striving for continuity in the Prequel Trilogy.

Creating damnable characters and races: Jar Jar Binks... and Ewoks.

Replaced actors with new ones in the DVD's.
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Posted 26 July 2006 - 11:15 PM

1. NOT RELEASING THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS OF THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY ON DVD WITH UP-TO-DATE TREATMENT.

2. Creating an awful PT.

3. Special Edition changes.
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 08:13 AM

1. Parting with Gary Kurtz

2. Sitting in a director's chair

3. Destroying the legend of Yoda

4. Ruining the Max Rebo band

5. Creating the Max Rebo band

6. Ruining Boba Fett

7. Creating Jango Fett

8. Including no real politik intrigue for the rise of the Empire

9. Creating shields for the Gungans that would never be used again by any military force in the galaxy
It seems like everyone is over the nitpicking. Too bad.
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 08:01 PM

I don't see what you people are whining about. As I have reminded you several times before, if it wasn't for George Lucas, there would be no Star Wars at all. I apologize that you couldn't have your cake and eat it too.
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 09:15 PM

If it wasn't for US... the OOT fans who supported the original films and its merchandising empire... there would be no PT films, no Skywalker Ranch...

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Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"

All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 11:38 PM

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I don't see what you people are whining about. As I have reminded you several times before, if it wasn't for George Lucas, there would be no Star Wars at all. I apologize that you couldn't have your cake and eat it too.


njamilla asked us, so we are telling. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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If it wasn't for US... the OOT fans who supported the original films and its merchandising empire... there would be no PT films, no Skywalker Ranch...


Agreed!
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Posted 29 July 2006 - 11:15 PM

Taking a razer sharp cool Han in Ep4 and slowly destroying his character until hes a boring "count me in!" pencil pusher in ep 6.
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Posted 29 July 2006 - 11:30 PM

QUOTE (jariten @ Jul 30 2006, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Taking a razer sharp cool Han in Ep4 and slowly destroying his character until hes a boring "count me in!" pencil pusher in ep 6.


Too true. Everyone becoming generals made no sense and was awful.
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Posted 29 July 2006 - 11:56 PM

Lando becoming a general made absolutely no sense at all.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 04:46 AM

1. Killing off great characters (Darth Maul, Qui-Gonn) while over-exposing shit characters (Jar Jar, Mace, PT Yoda)

2. After watching Darth maul kick the crap out of two Jedi and killing the master, having him oh-so-cheesily slain

3. Having shit Jedi running rampid thoughout the PT, three supposed Jedi get slaughtered within 2.2 seconds once exposing Palpatine... WTF?!? yell.gif
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 05:07 AM

Yes, we forgot to mention that.

Sidius took down Kit Fisto and two other Jedi in a matter of seconds. Was he that good at lightsaber fighting? No one is. That was terrible coreographing and writing. Terrible.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 05:31 AM

QUOTE (StarWarsIsUs @ Jul 29 2006, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lando becoming a general made absolutely no sense at all.


I beg to differ, it made perfect sense! He did that manouver thing at that Battle of Taanab thing. dry.gif

1. Writing each PT part separately, during pre-production coffee breaks. Granted, he only had about twenty years to prepare but counting money takes a lot of time and effort.

2. Willingly and knowingly introducing midichlorians and thereby destroying the soul of Star Wars.

3. Making Artoo fly. Twice.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 08:02 PM

QUOTE (HK 47 @ Jul 30 2006, 06:31 AM)
Willingly and knowingly introducing midichlorians and thereby destroying the soul of Star Wars.



Wow, I would have to say that I think this is a pretty significant indictment. The whole thing of the force controlling us and also obeying out commands made complete sense within the context of the OT. Adding some rational and cosmological explanation like midichlorians actually takes the mystery out of the Force.

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jul 27 2006, 09:13 AM)
Parting with Gary Kurtz


A lot happened between RotJ and Indiana Jones III. Somehow Rick McCallum entered the picture, and Gary Kurtz was nowhere to be found (in the SW universe). His statements about the direction of SW at the time he was working with GL were extremely intriguing.

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jul 27 2006, 09:13 AM)
Sitting in a director's chair


Yeah, this one. It's almost like GL simply lucked out with ANH. He gave up the reigns for the rest of the OT, and even though EP VI is a rehash of ep IV, the trilogy still ends with a bang. Not so with the PT, whose climactic end seems anticlimactic compared to every fan's personal image of the scene.

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jul 27 2006, 09:13 AM)
Destroying the legend of Yoda


I kind of want a little more explanation of this one, but I get you. I'm not sure whether you think he flailed around too much with the lightsaber or if he should have been left more aloof (and therefore wiser).


QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jul 27 2006, 09:13 AM)
Ruining Boba Fett


The animation in the TV episode gave birth to him. But didn't the comics also signal the end of his demise by overexposing a character who had such a mystique despite the short number of appearances he got. On a similar note, the image of Daniel Logan as child Fett doesn't leave me with a compelling image of an older Boba.

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jul 27 2006, 09:13 AM)
Creating Jango Fett


Morrison was OK -- I guess. He's a bit like Jackson for me; an actor with bravado, but no lasting presence on film. Bad guy Jango, doesn't really evoke badness or evil to me. Nor does Mace Windu epitomize Jedi mastery. Jackson's bravado, was more akin to what I image Han would be like.


QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jul 27 2006, 09:13 AM)
Including no real politik intrigue for the rise of the Empire


I really like this! Especially with a preface like Dean Alan Foster's Journal of the Whills in the SW novelization, the poetry of an empire being like a huge tree rotting from the inside. That's great stuff. Brilliant that McDirmid played Palpatine, but the fall of Valorum (all on account of Amidala) was but a petty, insignificant motion which should not have changed the universe.

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jul 27 2006, 09:13 AM)
Creating shields for the Gungans that would never be used again by any military force in the galaxy


Is this more of a pet peeve? I kind of like the idea of denying Trade forces bombardment capability (which of course has a rich tradition from ESB). But it's not like the gungans were fierce hand to hand warriors. They still used hand held projectile weapons. Do walkers also fit into this category?


QUOTE (Sieve Boy @ Jul 30 2006, 05:46 AM)
1. Killing off great characters (Darth Maul, Qui-Gonn) while over-exposing shit characters (Jar Jar, Mace, PT Yoda)

2. After watching Darth maul kick the crap out of two Jedi and killing the master, having him oh-so-cheesily slain

3. Having shit Jedi running rampid thoughout the PT, three supposed Jedi get slaughtered within 2.2 seconds once exposing Palpatine... WTF?!?


I like the first. Maul could have made a cool comeback. Qui-Gon (played by Neeson) was a very mature character (except for his role in accepting the virgin birth of Anakin). (Did you see see Beevis and Butthead when they met their fathers in the desert? LOL)

I kind liked how Maul was slain, but I can see your point too. It should have been Qui-Gon who survived, and Kenobi who was killed. If this were a real world, there would be some irony in GL's telling of the story. As it stands, when you compare Kenobi between the two trilogies, there's a lot of cheese to be found. The smart-ass McGregor is a far stretch from the composure of Guiness. Did McGregor get the part only because of his physical resemblance to the veteran actor. If so. So sad.

The posse scene has brought derision from a lot of people. The swordsman in me likes the speed with which they were taken out. That's realistic to me. But for all the hype the Jedi (any Jedi) were made out to be, they fall without much of a thud in this scene. Their assassination in ROTS to the guns of the clones was very compelling to me, however. Part of the weakness of the scene is the blocking of the choreography. The spin was a little weird (i.e. cheesy), but McDirmid does not pull off a competent swordsman. I understand the he got very limited training, and it shows.



How about this one:

Replacing Peter Diamond with Nick Gillard.

or

Casting Christensen as Anakin


You all do know that I want to use your ideas in my short story. Right?
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