[Darth Player]

Posting this here because ROTS has that final end feeling to it, the way Jedi doesn't. What scene shook your belief in the existance of a greater cosmic mind behind everythig, instead having you believe the whole universe is a big floating pile of garbage that will implode in upon itself. For me, upon careful reflection, it was the Ewok death scene where the oe Ewok gets up and tries to wake his pal/spouse only to realize its dead and he lets out a groan of "doesn't war suck?" I should have realized from thereon in that the PT could not have been good or even decent.

[Sieve Boy]

That was always a very touching scene for me, that poor little ewok feeling for his fallen comrade... oh the agony! Oh the heartfelt pain!!!

What a load of crap that little take was! Thats one any true fan will remember and would laugh at as well as it is garbage at very best. I true savage ewok that has a heart that would crush an entire legion of the empire's finest troops doesn't friggin' cry over the dead in battle! Endor does not equal Vietnam, they should have saved all that shit for Platoon when it came out...

[Darth Player]

Words fail me......

[miladyblue]

Any scene with Jar Jar. My loathing of that character is complete.

1. Padme falling out of the troop transport - who in their right mind is going to just be "holding on" while in a high speed flying transport in a combat situation? No safety straps or seatbelts? Don't let the Washington State Highway Patrol catch up with you, it's a $101 fine.

2. Any scene where the camera comes back onto Amidala and she has changed her hair, clothes, and makeup. The Paris Hilton of that galaxy far, far away?

3. Dooku's death - it looks badly edited. Dooku is looking toward Palpy as though he is shocked Palpatine would order his death. Somewhere I read that he actually reminded Palatine that he would be granted amnesty, then Anakin does him in. Of course, Anakin's brief debate with himself over the ethics of the situation, then coming to his conclusion without much of a struggle.

4. Any "romantic" scenes with Padme and Anakin - damned scenes were enough to curdle anyone's testosterone or estrogen.

5. Yoda's lightsaber battles. Yoda and Palpy, respectively, should be powerful enough and wise enough to be above such theatrics.

6. Padme's death - "She has lost her will to live" how the hell could a droid, a machine, come to that conclusion? A little re-edit might be in order, that Anakin's Force-choke injured her badly, and in a heart wrenching decision, Padme dies so her kids can live, because she would not be able to bear losing them AND Anakin. Of course, who would make that particular decision - Padme, her friend Bail Organa, or Obi Wan? And how interesting would it have been had Padme been unable to reach the decision herself, because she was comatose?

7. Any scene where C3PO is providing the "comedy." R2D2's magical abilities that are never seen in the OT, such as his flight powers.

8. Anakin's "luckily" crashing on the control ship and "accidentally" blowing it up.

9. Jango Fett - He had the opportunity, while Obi Wan and Anakin were off chasing that changeling to blast Padme, which he did not do. He also had the chance to do in Obi Wan and Anakin when they had said changeling in custody. He didn't. So what was up with the "bad ass" bounty hunter? Wouldn't Dooku or any of the other higher ups have given him a token stipend to get rid of as many Jedi as possible?

10. Scene in the Jedi Council chamber where the masters declare Anakin to be dangerous. He has fear, because he was just separated from his mother. Any grief counselling available? Not to the almighty Jedi?

11. Midi Chlorians - Nope. I don't buy it for a second. "The Force is an energy field, it surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together." That was ALL the explanation I ever needed. It was a simple, yet elegantly profound explanation of something that was greater than those who revered it.

12. That goddamned prophecy. It might have been too much to ask that it be stated at some point in one of the PT movies. "Real life" prophecies are notoriously vague, and open to a million different interpretations. Surely, some of the Jedi could have opted to believe Anakin was the chosen one, who would bring balance to the Force in a positive way, and others could have wanted to get rid of him, believing him to be a danger to all.

[Lord Aquaman]

Any scene with Jar Jar. My loathing of that character is complete.

1. Padme falling out of the troop transport - who in their right mind is going to just be "holding on" while in a high speed flying transport in a combat situation? No safety straps or seatbelts? Don't let the Washington State Highway Patrol catch up with you, it's a $101 fine.

2. Any scene where the camera comes back onto Amidala and she has changed her hair, clothes, and makeup. The Paris Hilton of that galaxy far, far away?

3. Dooku's death - it looks badly edited. Dooku is looking toward Palpy as though he is shocked Palpatine would order his death. Somewhere I read that he actually reminded Palatine that he would be granted amnesty, then Anakin does him in. Of course, Anakin's brief debate with himself over the ethics of the situation, then coming to his conclusion without much of a struggle.

4. Any "romantic" scenes with Padme and Anakin - damned scenes were enough to curdle anyone's testosterone or estrogen.

5. Yoda's lightsaber battles. Yoda and Palpy, respectively, should be powerful enough and wise enough to be above such theatrics.

6. Padme's death - "She has lost her will to live" how the hell could a droid, a machine, come to that conclusion? A little re-edit might be in order, that Anakin's Force-choke injured her badly, and in a heart wrenching decision, Padme dies so her kids can live, because she would not be able to bear losing them AND Anakin. Of course, who would make that particular decision - Padme, her friend Bail Organa, or Obi Wan? And how interesting would it have been had Padme been unable to reach the decision herself, because she was comatose?

7. Any scene where C3PO is providing the "comedy." R2D2's magical abilities that are never seen in the OT, such as his flight powers.

8. Anakin's "luckily" crashing on the control ship and "accidentally" blowing it up.

9. Jango Fett - He had the opportunity, while Obi Wan and Anakin were off chasing that changeling to blast Padme, which he did not do. He also had the chance to do in Obi Wan and Anakin when they had said changeling in custody. He didn't. So what was up with the "bad ass" bounty hunter? Wouldn't Dooku or any of the other higher ups have given him a token stipend to get rid of as many Jedi as possible?

10. Scene in the Jedi Council chamber where the masters declare Anakin to be dangerous. He has fear, because he was just separated from his mother. Any grief counselling available? Not to the almighty Jedi?

11. Midi Chlorians - Nope. I don't buy it for a second. "The Force is an energy field, it surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together." That was ALL the explanation I ever needed. It was a simple, yet elegantly profound explanation of something that was greater than those who revered it.

12. That goddamned prophecy. It might have been too much to ask that it be stated at some point in one of the PT movies. "Real life" prophecies are notoriously vague, and open to a million different interpretations. Surely, some of the Jedi could have opted to believe Anakin was the chosen one, who would bring balance to the Force in a positive way, and others could have wanted to get rid of him, believing him to be a danger to all.

Same here, and much more.

Did I mention I hate how Episode 1 gives Obi-Wan Kenobi almost no screen time or any chance to really bond or develop a friendship with Anakin? In all the criticisms I see of the PT this one never seems to come up.

I'll take the one scene with the living Ewok crying for the dying Ewok over any crap in the PT.

This post has been edited by Lord Aquaman: 28 July 2006 - 08:37 AM

[Storm]

There are several bad scenes throughout all six movies. Don't pretend as though the original trilogy is perfect.

Here's my list of the worst Star Wars scenes.

1. The Phantom Menace: Darth Maul's Death
A guy who takes on two Jedi at once could not possibly be killed in such a lame fashion. All he had to do is throw his light saber at Obi-Wan hanging from the edge and it would have been over.

2. Attack of the Clones: Padme Reveals Her Feelings
Right before Padme and Anakin are brought into the battle arena, Padme tells Anakin something to the extent of "I truly, deeply, madly love you." I suppose George Lucas and Jonathan Hales had difficulty trying to find a way to express how much Padme loved Anakin.

3. Revenge of the Sith: Palpatine and Windu
The whole sequence between Windu and Palpatine is brutal, but in particular "No! No! No! You will die!" is the most embarassing moment in the whole film.

4. A New Hope: Luke, The Cocky Fighter with No Experience
Of all the poor scenes in A New Hope (and there were tons of them), the one where the Rebels are being briefed annoys me the most. Here you have most of the Rebellion's most trained fighter pilots who have been flying X-Wings and fighting in space battles for years. Then you have Luke who has never flown an X-Wing or in space at all, claiming that destroying the Death Star is as simple as shooting womp rats back on a desert planet. There's no way he could be that arrogant. It's like you going to a shooting range and then claiming that fighting in World War II would have been the easiest task in human history.

5. The Empire Strikes Back: Han Evades the Imperial Fleet
In A New Hope we are expected to believe that Luke, an untrained fighter pilot, would be capable of destroying the Death Star. The Empire Strikes Back asks us to suspend our disbelief at a whole new level. There's two major problems with this scene.

A. The time between the Falcon flying past the bridge window until the time when Needa orders "Track them! They may come around for another pass!" is at most 4 seconds. This means that in a matter of 4 seconds, the Falcon was able to fly past the bridge window and attach to the back of the Star Destroyer. There is NO WAY this could have been accomplished in such a short time span. I predict the time required for the Falcon to change direction, and reduce it's speed to zero so it could gently land on the back of the Star Destroyer would be at least 30 seconds. If it did occur in 4 seconds, we should have at least heard a loud thud.

B. There is just no way that any of the other Star Destroyers in the fleet, or the TIE fighters flying around could fail to notice the Falcon. Even if all the technology failed, a simple glance out of a window would have detected them. There is no defense to this issue. It's a major flaw in the movie.

6. Return of the Jedi: Han and Leia
The scene that occurs in the Ewok Village between Han and Leia is sickening. You have Han acting like a total jackass because Leia spoke to Luke, and Leia acting like whiny, helpless female. "Hold me".....makes me want to vomit.

[StarWarsIsUs]

Did I mention I hate how Episode 1 gives Obi-Wan Kenobi almost no screen time or any chance to really bond or develop a friendship with Anakin? In all the criticisms I see of the PT this one never seems to come up.

I agree fully with that. He pretty much was given no personality to work with in the Phantom Menace. But Ewan being who he is, did a good job with what he was given.

George Lucas... you suck man. You really... *sigh* Just |=v[|< you man. |=v[|<!|\|6 burn in hell.

1. Padme falling out of the troop transport - who in their right mind is going to just be "holding on" while in a high speed flying transport in a combat situation? No safety straps or seatbelts? Don't let the Washington State Highway Patrol catch up with you, it's a $101 fine.

2. Any scene where the camera comes back onto Amidala and she has changed her hair, clothes, and makeup. The Paris Hilton of that galaxy far, far away?

3. Dooku's death - it looks badly edited. Dooku is looking toward Palpy as though he is shocked Palpatine would order his death. Somewhere I read that he actually reminded Palatine that he would be granted amnesty, then Anakin does him in. Of course, Anakin's brief debate with himself over the ethics of the situation, then coming to his conclusion without much of a struggle.

4. Any "romantic" scenes with Padme and Anakin - damned scenes were enough to curdle anyone's testosterone or estrogen.

5. Yoda's lightsaber battles. Yoda and Palpy, respectively, should be powerful enough and wise enough to be above such theatrics.

6. Padme's death - "She has lost her will to live" how the hell could a droid, a machine, come to that conclusion? A little re-edit might be in order, that Anakin's Force-choke injured her badly, and in a heart wrenching decision, Padme dies so her kids can live, because she would not be able to bear losing them AND Anakin. Of course, who would make that particular decision - Padme, her friend Bail Organa, or Obi Wan? And how interesting would it have been had Padme been unable to reach the decision herself, because she was comatose?

7. Any scene where C3PO is providing the "comedy." R2D2's magical abilities that are never seen in the OT, such as his flight powers.

8. Anakin's "luckily" crashing on the control ship and "accidentally" blowing it up.

9. Jango Fett - He had the opportunity, while Obi Wan and Anakin were off chasing that changeling to blast Padme, which he did not do. He also had the chance to do in Obi Wan and Anakin when they had said changeling in custody. He didn't. So what was up with the "bad ass" bounty hunter? Wouldn't Dooku or any of the other higher ups have given him a token stipend to get rid of as many Jedi as possible?

10. Scene in the Jedi Council chamber where the masters declare Anakin to be dangerous. He has fear, because he was just separated from his mother. Any grief counselling available? Not to the almighty Jedi?

11. Midi Chlorians - Nope. I don't buy it for a second. "The Force is an energy field, it surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together." That was ALL the explanation I ever needed. It was a simple, yet elegantly profound explanation of something that was greater than those who revered it.

12. That goddamned prophecy. It might have been too much to ask that it be stated at some point in one of the PT movies. "Real life" prophecies are notoriously vague, and open to a million different interpretations. Surely, some of the Jedi could have opted to believe Anakin was the chosen one, who would bring balance to the Force in a positive way, and others could have wanted to get rid of him, believing him to be a danger to all.

You echo my complaints pretty well.

This post has been edited by StarWarsIsUs: 28 July 2006 - 08:55 PM

[MyPantsAreOnFire]

Don't pretend as though the original trilogy is perfect.

Nobody is, Dr. Strawman. What we know is that it was much, much, much, much...muchmuchmuchmuchmuchmuchmuch...MUCH...much better, flaws and all.

[EwokHunter]

Words fail me......

[CowboyCurtis]

2. Attack of the Clones: Padme Reveals Her Feelings
Right before Padme and Anakin are brought into the battle arena, Padme tells Anakin something to the extent of "I truly, deeply, madly love you." I suppose George Lucas and Jonathan Hales had difficulty trying to find a way to express how much Padme loved Anakin.

Lucas (and Hale) didn't learn that less is more. Saying "I love you" is one of the cheapest, biggest cop-outs you can do in a cinematic romance, especially a sci-fi space opera. I learned this lesson the HARD way. Backin composition class in high school, being the big Star Wars nut that I was, I wrote a Star Wars-like story. I had everyone interested and riveted and interested until I got to the male and female protagonists expressing their love for each. The whole class was ROARING with laughter. I was mortified! Of course, they kindly explained to me later why it didn't work, and I agreed with it. It's all in the visual, and when I watch mushy movies with my wife, there are some movies that do it very effectively. It's just a look, or dialogue that is nothing but subtext. Lucas, as a writer, and Hale, as a writer, completely screwed this up. This is not a script... this is a piss-poor high school bad melodrama.

The whole problem is that the aspect of Star Wars, and that which it has become is bigger and more massive than they think. So much, vicariously has been dumped into the first three movies, that it required the deft touch of a realized and masterful screenplay writer. What's sad is at one time Lucas had the capacity to find good writers. People like Hyuck and Katz or Kasdan, or even Kazjian (sp) from Indiana Jones (why are there so many people with K's or names beginning with the letter K in Lucas' creative teams of old? I digress). Lucas let this ability slip. At one time he could even pick out actors and actresses who went on to become something great. How did Lucas let Keira Knightley slip through his fingers? Why did he listen to his daughter in Christiansen's casting?

Too many mistakes, too many compromises. Too old, too fat, too comfortable. He's lost almost any talent he had when was younger. I want to pity him, but I've lost even enough respect for that.

Oh, I shan't go on.

[StarWarsIsUs]

Not only was it a campy melo-drama, but there is also the fact that their words mean nothing. There is no buildup to the romance at all. Anakin shows his feelings very early on, and Padme doesn't show any feelings for Anakin until they are about to die --- the dialogue in that scene was made only worse by this.

[civilian_number_two]

1. The Phantom Menace: Darth Maul's Death
A guy who takes on two Jedi at once could not possibly be killed in such a lame fashion. All he had to do is throw his light saber at Obi-Wan hanging from the edge and it would have been over.

5. The Empire Strikes Back: Han Evades the Imperial Fleet
In A New Hope we are expected to believe that Luke, an untrained fighter pilot, would be capable of destroying the Death Star. The Empire Strikes Back asks us to suspend our disbelief at a whole new level. ...

A. The time between the Falcon flying past the bridge window until the time when Needa orders "Track them! They may come around for another pass!" is at most 4 seconds. This means that in a matter of 4 seconds, the Falcon was able to fly past the bridge window and attach to the back of the Star Destroyer. There is NO WAY this could have been accomplished in such a short time span. I predict the time required for the Falcon to change direction, and reduce it's speed to zero so it could gently land on the back of the Star Destroyer would be at least 30 seconds. If it did occur in 4 seconds, we should have at least heard a loud thud.

Re the first point, the real problem with that scene is not the dumb choreography, but that it undercuts every point Qui Gon raised about the Force in the entire movie. QG is calm as a coma in that fight, and he dies. Maul paces and fumes, lets his anger consume him, and kills QG. At the end of the fight, Obi Wan loses his cool, gives in to anger, then executes his wicked cool backflip and cuts Maul in half. Bad, bad writing.

As for the second point, I really have no idea how quickly a space freighter of the Falcon's classification can attach itself to a Star Destroyer. Conventional wisdom says 30 seconds, but some pilots have pulled off the maneuver in closer to 15 under controlled conditions. Remember that the Satr Destroyer was moving forward as well, so that may reduce the time somewhat. Also of note is the modifications Han made to the retro thrusters and hover drives, which we saw him repairing in the early scenes on Hoth. I think more may be said of this in the novellization of the remake of the comic book coverage of Han's early days on a Correllian cruiser, "Cabin Spaceboy," published 1979 (now oop). You can see there that he learned this trick from the Calamari pilot. Granted, it wasn't a Star Destroyer, but the maneuver wasn't substantially different.

I think the worst STAR WARS cene that I ever saw was the one where they put the medal on R2D2. Also the one where they introduced C3P0 in TPM. "I don't think this floor is entirely stable." Anyone looking for an analogy to what I think Lucas was going through when he tried to get laughs with silly references should closely watch David Brent in the second season of The Office. Especially at the meeting where he hands the office over to Neil. And of course his dancing. Painful.

[Helena]

Any scene involving Anakin and Padme expressing their feelings for each other.

4. A New Hope: Luke, The Cocky Fighter with No Experience
Of all the poor scenes in A New Hope (and there were tons of them), the one where the Rebels are being briefed annoys me the most. Here you have most of the Rebellion's most trained fighter pilots who have been flying X-Wings and fighting in space battles for years. Then you have Luke who has never flown an X-Wing or in space at all, claiming that destroying the Death Star is as simple as shooting womp rats back on a desert planet. There's no way he could be that arrogant. It's like you going to a shooting range and then claiming that fighting in World War II would have been the easiest task in human history.

Um... why? His point was not that it's easy to destroy a Death Star, but that he's good at hitting small targets from a distance (and they would presumably have been moving, unlike the DS). And how exactly do we know he's never flown an X-Wing or in space? Didn't he tell Han he was already a good pilot?

[CowboyCurtis]

And, of course, Luke flew the Skyhopper which was "very much like the X-Wing fighter" The bases are covered better than they are in TPM where go from a kid driving a "go cart" basically to flying an F-15.

[Chefelf]

5. The Empire Strikes Back: Han Evades the Imperial Fleet
In A New Hope we are expected to believe that Luke, an untrained fighter pilot, would be capable of destroying the Death Star. The Empire Strikes Back asks us to suspend our disbelief at a whole new level. There's two major problems with this scene.

A. The time between the Falcon flying past the bridge window until the time when Needa orders "Track them! They may come around for another pass!" is at most 4 seconds. This means that in a matter of 4 seconds, the Falcon was able to fly past the bridge window and attach to the back of the Star Destroyer. There is NO WAY this could have been accomplished in such a short time span. I predict the time required for the Falcon to change direction, and reduce it's speed to zero so it could gently land on the back of the Star Destroyer would be at least 30 seconds. If it did occur in 4 seconds, we should have at least heard a loud thud.

B. There is just no way that any of the other Star Destroyers in the fleet, or the TIE fighters flying around could fail to notice the Falcon. Even if all the technology failed, a simple glance out of a window would have detected them. There is no defense to this issue. It's a major flaw in the movie.

I agree with Storm on this point. I don't think it's a "major flaw in the movie" but it certainly is the major flaw in how they're allowed to escape. I think a similar maneuver could have been used where the Millenium Falcon did something that didn't happen in 4 seconds and go from full speed to attached to the Star Destroyer in that amount of time. Even as a kid I wondered about the possibility of that though I let it go because I knew there was an awesome lightsaber duel coming up in Cloud City.

I think the R2D2 award sequence may be the tops of the bad list of scenes for me. It takes the cake for a number of reasons, primarily for being the first point in the PT where I realized that there was no saving these movies.