Now you see him... Or, what the hell happened to Obi Wan?
#1
Posted 24 July 2006 - 09:07 PM
Obi Wan looks over at Luke, gives an enigmatic little smile, then turns back to Darth Vader, holding his lightsaber up in front of him, closing his eyes. It is NOT a defensive move, because Darth Vader is easily able to cut him in half (apparently) with no resistance. An empty robe hits the deck, along with a deactivated lightsaber. Vader prods the cloth with his foot, his lightsaber still ignited, as though he was expecting something to happen that would require said lightsaber for defensive purposes. Nothing. Just an empty robe and a deactivated lightsaber.
So what just happened? I don't buy the "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine," line as being something literal, i.e. the "unlimited power" Palpy was babbling about in RotS. (In fact, thinking of that celluloid blasphemy in the same instant as my beloved Star Wars makes me a little queasy.)
This was not supposed to happen in the original story, I understand, but GL was trying for some dramatic tension to the escape from the Death Star. He succeeded, because here was someone who literally gave his life as a distraction for our heroes to escape. This makes the subsequent "certain point of view" crap all that much worse in RotJ.
Since this occurred when the Force was just "An energy field that surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together," about the only thing that this scene could POSSIBLY suggest is Obi Wan surrendered himself FULLY - body, mind and soul - to the Force. Yoda subsequently did the same thing in RotJ.
What think the rest of you?
#2
Posted 24 July 2006 - 11:10 PM
Agreed.
I pretty much agree with you. Obi-Wan surrendered himself FULLY. There is no doubt about that in my mind.... which brings this question to my mind.
Did Yoda NEED to, too? If Yoda didn't NEED to, I know why Lucas had him do it... it was so as not to traumatize young kids seeing Yoda laying there dead. Lucas is kind of a pussy sometimes.
But, I don't mind, because it adds to that very fairytale appeal of ROTJ.
Didn't mean to get off topic there.
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#3
Posted 25 July 2006 - 12:07 AM
Plus, the whole "vanishing" bit is ruined by all the dead Jedis we see not becoming one with the Force in the prequels. Granted, maybe it's because they were taken by surprise, but what about Qui-Gon? Shouldn't he have vanished?
On a side note, if you watch Vader cutting through Obi-Wan, it looks like he's actually cutting through the blade of Obi-Wan's lightsaber. Whoops.
#4
Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:25 AM
It amuses me to think of him running around like that...
"Maybe artists shouldn't talk about their art."
"Well kids, I guess your father isn't a hermaphrodite."
"Izzy! enough with the rabid smootching!!"
#5
Posted 25 July 2006 - 10:34 AM
It amuses me to think of him running around like that...
Old and naked?
#6
Posted 25 July 2006 - 11:51 PM
Naw, with CGI, he could slip into Ewan McGregor mode - Ewan is on record not minding getting naked on screen. I'd pay to see that!
#7
Posted 26 July 2006 - 02:52 PM
But he wouldn't have to be naked, while we did see his cloak hit the floor, I don't recall seeing his pants there.
"Maybe artists shouldn't talk about their art."
"Well kids, I guess your father isn't a hermaphrodite."
"Izzy! enough with the rabid smootching!!"
#8
Posted 26 July 2006 - 05:24 PM
Is that he real reason? Because that is really funny.
Obi-Wan and Yoda, after they died, turned into invisible midi-chlorians. The reason Qui-Gon didn't dissapear, is because usually people don't know how to turn into midi-chlorians unless they study hard. Later, Qui-Gon's corpse did, after the Jedi put a special powder on it during the funeral ceremony. The powder substance helped convert Qui-Gon's molecules into midi-chlorians fully, that way his spirit could move on away from the physical realm.
-George Lucas
#10
Posted 27 July 2006 - 12:09 AM
No, I don't think that's the real reason, but it sure jives with the whole "Greedo shot first" and editing the f*** out of the MF escape and shoot out with the stormtroopers (and the detention cell scene, too, from what I've heard) in the SE. Lucas didn't want to "traumatize" his own children watching. Yeah, sure, then a few years later he has his own son getting blasted by stormtroopers in ROTS. Lucas is a moron. That can not be stressed enough.
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#11
Posted 27 August 2006 - 07:46 PM
#12
Posted 27 August 2006 - 07:50 PM
JET: Hey, adoptive dad, can I be in Revenge of the Sith?
GEORGE: Sure, adopted son. You can be one of the apprentices that kills a couple of clones, but then is shot to death in front of the screen.
JET: YIPPEE!
#14
Posted 30 August 2006 - 01:40 PM
That was Jet.
I'm with you. I have no clue what GL was talking about.
#15
Posted 31 August 2006 - 06:54 AM
"Bend over that footlocker and SQUEAL like a gundark!"
This post has been edited by miladyblue: 31 August 2006 - 06:55 AM