[georgelucas4greedo]

I dont know about you guys, but I'm soo sick of Kevin Smith. Don't get me wrong, Clerks was a great movie, but now he's becoming so comercialized. Jeresy Girl? Daredevil? Honestly that was the worst superhero movie ever and I once sat through The Adventures of American Rabbit

Plus, he was banging the drum for Lucas the loudest during the prequel years. And now I hear that Clerks II is terrible. So please Kevin Smith, sit down you fat waste.

[Jedi_Arco]

Haven't really heard too much about Clerks II other than if you loved the first you should enjoy this. I don't like the sound of that myself, but I'll find out tomorrow and I'll be doing a review. Not as long as Superman Returns, I promise.

As for DareDevil, that wasn't his doing. That was directed by Mark Steven Johnson, the same man that will be bringing us Ghost Rider (which looks great). I wasn't a big fan of the DD movie, but Johnson apparently didn't get to do the things he wanted with that film; he actually had to fight to make the costume red! Fox was afraid it might look too much like Spider-man. The director's cut of DD is much better and actually borders on being great. And the commentary on it is fascinating because you get to hear Johnson talk about why Fox had him cut this and that, and actually made him put the love story between DD and Elektra in there (something he didn't want). I will agree though that Kevin Smith really damaged the comic version of DD and they're still trying to fix all the problems he made in that title. Has he even finished the "DareDevil: Father" mini-series yet? That man need to pick one thing and finish it! Either comics, or movies, or screenwriting. He needs to stop all the multi-tasking because he can't do it very well.

So, I guess I do agree, Kevin Smith needs to sit the hell down and focus on one thing and stick with it, because I too am getting sick of him.



**I thought the ViewAskew-niverse was closed . . . Oh wait, there was more in the book that "God" closed at the end of J&SB:SB . . . how silly of me! Lame.

[civilian_number_two]

Kevin Smith has always sucked. CLERKS might have made you laugh the first time you saw it, because of all the swearing and the potty humour, but it's not a "great movie." On a second viewing the only thing still funny is when Randall reads the porn titles. And it's not funny for the reason that KS wanted, that the titles are read in front of a child. It's just funny because at some point in every guy's life, he laughs at porn titles. So it's comfort humour, the kind that is easy to write and at which we laugh because it's familiar. The Jay and Silent Bob thing was played out in that movie alone, and he has brought those characters back for three other movies and an episode of Degrassi: The Next Generation. Now a fourth film, for those folks who think there are still fresh things to do with those characters (there aren't).

CLERKS II is insulting to the characters. They were supposed to have achieved some kind of cathartic growth at the end of the first film. We're supposed to believe that Dante will go back to school and grow up out of that life. KS himself was a clerk at that very convenience store when he made that film. Now he is a successful filmmaker and writes for comic books. The characters he created as his contemporaries will still be working shitty clerking jobs, even though most folks who do those jobs in their twenties aren't doing them in their thirties. KS may be insulting an entire generation, or at least those who originally found his films funny, all for the sake of resetting the story ofthe first film. Which, incidentally, is the laziest way to write a sequel. I am sure KS was as annoyed as the rest of us when Newt and Hicks were killed off during the opening credits of ALIEN III just so the director could have Ripley alone again. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

This post has been edited by civilian_number_two: 24 July 2006 - 06:36 AM

[Lord Aquaman]

Haven't really heard too much about Clerks II other than if you loved the first you should enjoy this. I don't like the sound of that myself, but I'll find out tomorrow and I'll be doing a review. Not as long as Superman Returns, I promise.

As for DareDevil, that wasn't his doing. That was directed by Mark Steven Johnson, the same man that will be bringing us Ghost Rider (which looks great). I wasn't a big fan of the DD movie, but Johnson apparently didn't get to do the things he wanted with that film; he actually had to fight to make the costume red! Fox was afraid it might look too much like Spider-man. The director's cut of DD is much better and actually borders on being great. And the commentary on it is fascinating because you get to hear Johnson talk about why Fox had him cut this and that, and actually made him put the love story between DD and Elektra in there (something he didn't want). I will agree though that Kevin Smith really damaged the comic version of DD and they're still trying to fix all the problems he made in that title. Has he even finished the "DareDevil: Father" mini-series yet? That man need to pick one thing and finish it! Either comics, or movies, or screenwriting. He needs to stop all the multi-tasking because he can't do it very well.

So, I guess I do agree, Kevin Smith needs to sit the hell down and focus on one thing and stick with it, because I too am getting sick of him.
**I thought the ViewAskew-niverse was closed . . . Oh wait, there was more in the book that "God" closed at the end of J&SB:SB . . . how silly of me! Lame.

I always thought it would have been better to leave Elektra out of Daredevil and save her for a sequel. I would have rather see them dedicate more screen time to Matt Murdock andhis first lover Karen Page, played by the lovely Ellen Pompeo.

As for Clerks, well, I wasn't really a fan of the first Clerks so I probably won't see the 2nd Clerks. I actually prefer "Mallrats". Yeah, I know "Mallrats" isn't a great film either, but it makes me laugh.

[Jordan]

I agree with CIV. The last film left you thinking that Dante would mature and go back to school or get a better job at least. I could die peacefully never knowing what actually became of them.

Clerks was a good film. I was like 16 at the time and it was funny. Everything KS has done since then has sucked beyond measure. Mallrats was lamer than lame, Jay and silent bob were good in clerks and NOTHING ELSE, dogma was a stupid move to try score points with harcore leftys, chasing amy was boring, and What else has he done?

He tries to be too cool for school but he's just a fat nerd who thinks SW is killer and that Jay and Silent Bob never stops being funny.

[MyPantsAreOnFire]

He tries to be too cool for school but he's just a fat nerd who thinks SW is killer and that Jay and Silent Bob never stops being funny.

I understand people not liking his films...personally, I simply think most of them are funny, nothing more or less...but the above comment seems a bit off. If anything, doesn't he seem to thrive off of how "dorky" and fanboy-ish he presents himself?

[Zewb]

I liked Clerks 2. It was very good, especially if you compare it with all the other comedies we've seen this year.

[darth_paul]

The way I feel about Kevin Smith is this. He should stick to making movies and that's it. He shouldn't do comics because he sucks at them, he can't even finish them on time and he is the rudest person to ever meet at a convention. He just insults everyone because he thinks that he is the world's only authority on comics. He's like Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons but without the humor. His "talent" obviously only lies in making small films that are so outrageous that they are funny and that's about it. I liked Clerks, Mallrats, and Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back and that's about it as well.

[georgelucas4greedo]

At Least Someone Agrees With Me

[MyPantsAreOnFire]

Though they did like the new movie...

[civilian_number_two]

That's a fairly mixed review. Its main point is that you will like CLERKS II if in fact you already like it before seeing it, but that it will not be able to charm a new viewer. So, like, fans of the Kevin Smith crap should relax that they won't be disappointed; detractors needn't waste their time seeing whether this time, he finally makes a decent film worth watching all the way through in one sitting.

Also, they weren't written by the same guy.

[MyPantsAreOnFire]

That's a fairly mixed review. Its main point is that you will like CLERKS II if in fact you already like it before seeing it, but that it will not be able to charm a new viewer. So, like, fans of the Kevin Smith crap should relax that they won't be disappointed; detractors needn't waste their time seeing whether this time, he finally makes a decent film worth watching all the way through in one sitting.

Also, they weren't written by the same guy.

How often do you get a sequel that's supposed to draw in new fans who never saw the first one?

This post has been edited by MyPantsAreOnFire: 28 July 2006 - 12:09 AM

[Jordan]

Terminator 2, Predator 2, Pirates of the Carribean 2, Aliens 2, X-men 2, Star Trek 2:Wrath of Khan, Pink Panther.

I think all those movies drew in fans that didn't take to the first ones.

When I worked at a video store, whenever a seqeul would come out, the orginal films would always be rented out for like 2 weeks straight. People who did not see the first film often want to quickly rent it so they can see the second one in cinema with a friend.

[MyPantsAreOnFire]

Maybe it's just how I am, but if I saw a movie that I didn't like, why would I ever see the sequel? That mentality baffles me...

And again, I don't think of those films were made with the idea that you'd draw in people who didn't see the first film or didn't like it. I think expanded box offixe is expected by getting all the people who saw the first one to come in, which usually expands once you include original theater run and video sales. Anything else is just going to be cake due to good reviews and/or word of mouth. But I highly doubt anyone banks on making a film with the idea, "oh yeah, NOW we'll get all the people who hated the first one!" That just doesn't make any sense.

[Jedi_Arco]

I agree with bits and pieces of all of you. I agree that most people go out and rent the first movie before the sequel comes out, regardless of whether or not they saw the first film before. I know this because I too used to work in a video store for a couple of years. When a sequel would come out, people would rent the first movie to either "refresh their memories" or because they saw the sequel and then wanted to see the first movie. Some sequels come out many years after the first movie and it's the first time some people are exposed to these franchises/characters. Terminator and Terminator 2 are many years apart and I can't tell you how many people I have encountered that have only ever seen the second movie. It happens.

I also agree that I wouldn't waste my time on a sequel to a movie that I didn't like in the first place, no matter how much better it 'might' look. Case in point: if (and that's a big IF) they make a sequel to Superman Returns I will not go to see it. I wouldn't give it the box office because of how disappointed I was with the first movie. I did it with the Matrix Revolutions (still haven't seen it) and I'll do it again, I'm sure.

I also didn't hate Clerks II. I just thought it was okay. The Onion review is kinda where I stand, but I don't even know that people that love the characters and love the movie before they go to see it will be garaunteed to like it. I thought it was just okay, some of my friends really enjoyed it, and others really didn't like it at all.

And that Kevin Smith timeline is great! It's so true. They forgot to include the Jay Leno bits that he does to kiss more of the Hollywood machine's ass.

Smith needs to just stop for a long time. And he needs to keep away from comics; he's not that good.