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The burning question... ...what *are* they farming, exactly?

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 08:39 AM

Just something I was thinking about earlier: what, exactly, are Owen and Beru Lars 'farming'? I know they're described as 'moisture farmers', but if they're just extracting moisture from the ground or atmosphere (which I'd hardly describe as 'farming'), why do they have a 'harvest'? You'd think it'd be the same all the year round.

Just wondering...
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 08:46 AM

Excellent question.
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 10:58 AM

Farming is an all year round activity, aside from a busy harvesting season, there's always small jobs to do like clearing the land and the like, in the Lars case, maintainance would have a lot to do with it, especially since he sees the need to get more droids and he's reluctant to let Luke go not just because of Luke's adventerous tendencies, but it means a lot more work. Biggs left and they are stretched as it is.

I think its odd that in ANH, the Lars family seems to have a farming set up that lets them get by, but as we see in TPM, a lot of humanoids like Shmi are 'slaves' to beings like Wattoo, why the difference?
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 03:25 PM

LOL. Good point Helena. Owen didn't want to let Luke go until after the harvest. Funny that never occurred to me in all these years.
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 03:46 PM

Hmm, a burning question indeed... I suspect that the whole thing was just something Owen made up because he wanted to cover up that he'd been growing pot. Think about it... you can harvest that... and we all saw that the true crime lords apparently live deep in the desert on Tatooine... and have a look at the way Luke suddenly staggers after he's been in the burning ruins of his former home... there was an awful lot of suspicious looking smoke, eh? shifty.gif

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (Darth Player @ Jun 11 2006, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Farming is an all year round activity, aside from a busy harvesting season, there's always small jobs to do like clearing the land and the like, in the Lars case, maintainance would have a lot to do with it, especially since he sees the need to get more droids and he's reluctant to let Luke go not just because of Luke's adventerous tendencies, but it means a lot more work. Biggs left and they are stretched as it is.

But this is my point: what is it that they're farming? The fact that they have a harvesting season at all suggests that they're growing something, but they're described as 'moisture farmers', and I don't see how you can grow or harvest moisture. Come to that, I can't think of anything that's likely to grow well in that kind of climate, at least not on the scale that would make it possible to farm it.

Perhaps it means that they use moisture to grow whatever it is they're growing? God, I really need to get a life, don't I?
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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 06:37 PM

Heh, I thought about it and assumed the same thing as Helena...they harvest the moisture to use it to grow their whatever crops...underground, probably. Damned if I know...count me in for one of them there lives!
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 08:14 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Jun 11 2006, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just something I was thinking about earlier: what, exactly, are Owen and Beru Lars 'farming'? I know they're described as 'moisture farmers', but if they're just extracting moisture from the ground or atmosphere (which I'd hardly describe as 'farming'), why do they have a 'harvest'? You'd think it'd be the same all the year round.

Just wondering...



Now I know what the gushers mean by searching desparately for nitpicks. Nonetheless, its always fun to do stuff like this....
It seems like everyone is over the nitpicking. Too bad.
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 08:38 PM

The Lars were growing and harvesting T-16's. It's the only logical explanation as to how they came into possession of one.
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 10:01 PM

the book calls Owen a man of the soil if ever there was one.

Soil?

Droids can't replace a man, Luke. Need People, not Droids.

the droids were to work with irrigation units on the south ridge.

soo... we need to buy droids to do the work of a man (speak in binary, changed to bocce).
But People are better than robots to speak to irrigation units and moisture vaporators.


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Posted 12 June 2006 - 06:40 AM

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Jun 12 2006, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I know what the gushers mean by searching desparately for nitpicks. Nonetheless, its always fun to do stuff like this....

I wasn't 'searching desperately for nitpicks'; it just randomly occurred to me. I'm not trying to claim that it's a major plot-hole or anything.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
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Posted 12 June 2006 - 02:58 PM

Hm...a very interesting question indeed. Impressive, most impressive that you came with that one, Helena.
Thinking about it, I am with Gobbler on that one. They must have raised pot. Maybe disguised in the SW Universe as the "spice" Han was smuggling?
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Posted 12 June 2006 - 11:26 PM

I assume they "farm" moisture out of the ground or atmosphere.

Harvest maybe means when it comes time to collect all the water from their moisture machines. Who knows how many countless ones they have across the desert? When the machines filled up with H20 or reached their storage threshold, that would probably be when the term harvest comes into play. It would probably be an arduous task collecting all the water from the machines and then transporting it to whatever central location the farmers sell their water to.

Sort of like hauling grain to elevators, I suppose.

That was always my take on things, but who knows?
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Posted 13 June 2006 - 12:07 AM

It didn't seem to matter. Kind of like background music. You recognize that it's there, and it somehow works with the scene in a natural way that you don't really question it because the movie is so freaking good. That's why it's different.
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Posted 13 June 2006 - 04:07 AM

QUOTE (Jedi_1138 @ Jun 12 2006, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hm...a very interesting question indeed. Impressive, most impressive that you came with that one, Helena.
Thinking about it, I am with Gobbler on that one. They must have raised pot. Maybe disguised in the SW Universe as the "spice" Han was smuggling?
Good thinking there, Jedi_1138. Especially because you agreed with me.

QUOTE (diligent_d @ Jun 13 2006, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I assume they "farm" moisture out of the ground or atmosphere.

Harvest maybe means when it comes time to collect all the water from their moisture machines. Who knows how many countless ones they have across the desert? When the machines filled up with H20 or reached their storage threshold, that would probably be when the term harvest comes into play.
Or maybe it's a psychological farming trick. I saw quite a lot farmers around here talking to their plants (yes, some of those plants were that certain kind of plant). They lure a bit of H2O into their little traps and that little bit of H2O then get's really scared and cries out to it's brethren, who then hurry to it's rescue, but since they're "only" water, they're not very intelligent and so they get trapped, too and... whoa... who's burning plants around here? wacko.gif

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