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Posted 26 May 2006 - 08:56 PM

I was watching part of ROTS again today, and in particular I took notice to the part where Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting on the lava and Obi-Wan escapes Anakin's furious lightsaber assault by jumping off the platform onto the land. Obi-Wan then says "It's over, Anakin. I have the high ground." to which Anakin responds by doing a strange flip attack and well, we know the rest....

I just couldn't help but think there were about two other things Anakin could have done to better resolve that situation.

1. Anakin could have done a small leap onto the "lower ground" and resumed fighting.
2. Anakin could have stood on the platform and let it carry him down the lava river, thereby allowing for an easy escape to his Jedi Starfighter. He could then have blown up Padme's ship and left to Coruscant to retrieve 4,816 clone troopers. Upon returning, they would obliterate Obi-Wan.

It just sucks for him, to have participated in such a great fight and then lose by attempting a move that only Sidious and Agen Kolar would have been capable of performing.

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 09:34 PM

A move that apparently all of the Jedis forgot how to do 20 or so years later.

The spastic flag team stunts the Jedi suddenly loved in the PT are just goofy.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 10:25 PM

He could have pointed his lightsaber up and smiled, the way Obi Wan did in ANH, and then been cut in half by Kenobi, who was forced to run off because Palpatine was near and he couldn't finish the job proper, but there was enough to make a Vader out of Anakin with the parts there. It would have been a good first book end to the ANH Death Star hangar scene and a readily understood source for Anakin's rage toward Kenobi....


"He was a good pilot.....(under his breath)...but an awful dueler, especially in making flips....(voice normal)....and a good friend.....which reminds me, I have something for you, your father would have wanted you to have this.....(under his breath)....along with a note saying 'don't underestimate Kenobi! He's nobody's bitch!....(voice normal).....its your father's LIGHT-SABEr, the weapon of a Jedi......
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 03:47 AM

Presumably you're joking.

Anakin was arrogant, belived he was better than Obi Wan and wanted to show Obi Wan he was better than Obi Wan.

If he was of sound mind they never would have fought in the first place.

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A move that apparently all of the Jedis forgot how to do 20 or so years later.


You mean the half dead guy/half robot or the 60 odd year old codger?

Or do you mean Luke, who actually does similar aerobics?
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 06:31 AM

That scene was ridiculous. Obi-Wan stands a few feet higher than Anakin and says "it's over Anakin. I have the high ground" indicating to the audience that he has a large advantage. When taking into account the way they fought over the last 20 minutes doing impossible moves, that last scene is pathetic. He stands a few feet higher. So what?

Besides, taking into account that the jedi not only can forcemove objects but also eachother (which is one of the things I don't like with PT) the entire fighting sequence is ridiculous, since at any time they could forcepush eachother into the lava. Look at the way Dooku toyed with Obi-Wan for instance.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 07:03 AM

QUOTE (jariten @ May 27 2006, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean the half dead guy/half robot or the 60 odd year old codger?

Or do you mean Luke, who actually does similar aerobics?


Apparently older Jedi (Dooku, Yoda, Palpatine) had better health care back in the days of yore.

If my memory sevres me correct, Luke does one "Force jump" out of the freezing pit in ESB (not a series of a dozen ninja flips in the middle of combat, mind you) and a backflip in ROTJ (which I believe was to leap OUT of battle, again, not a series of impossible and absurd cartoon moves IN battle)...am I missing anything else?

I don't want everyone shuffling around a la Darth and Ben in ANH, but the scope of what is done in the PT and the OT in terms of Jedi abilities is nonsensical.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 10:36 AM

Well, hate to be devil's advocate here, but Luke was trained by Yoda, who, for frak knows what reason, was no longer able to do those freaky flips. So, Yoda couldn't exactly demonstrate.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (jariten @ May 27 2006, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Presumably you're joking.

Anakin was arrogant, belived he was better than Obi Wan and wanted to show Obi Wan he was better than Obi Wan.


Yeah, I know it all happened because Anakin was being arrogant. I just wish he considered other options. He clearly had the upper hand in the battle and deserved to win. It would have been funny if in ROTS Anakin actually killed Obi-Wan and Sidious killed Yoda, despite being completely inconsistent with the OT.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 01:31 PM

It would have been hilariously appropos.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 04:34 PM

Taking the fact aside that every Jedi/Sith in the OT knows how to do weired/distracting ninja filps ...does anyone remember that this is the same "high ground" that Maul had over Obi Wan in TPM?
Did it Maul serve any good?

So, why again should Anakin care actually?
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 04:43 PM

I never really felt it had significance. A throwaway line. Kind of like when Leia briefs the Hoth pilots and says "good luck". (Even "Two fighters against a star destroyer?" carries more weight.)
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 07:29 PM

The only reason he says "It's over Anakin. I have the high ground" is to make the audience understand that he has a significant advantage, which we would never understand otherwise considering the jedi-fights we had seen before. For christ sake, he could have just taken a small leap onto the ground. The scene is utterly stupid.

Two Jedi's fight for a half an hour doing extraordinary moves, one of them jumps up on a hill and voila: the fight is over because he has the "high ground".
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 10:27 PM

I just finished watching the JEDI dvd with the commentary, while I was doing production work to pass the time, and Luke's line after he beats down Vader, "It's over" or something like that. It's just a declaration and there's no hidden meaning behind it. I sense more veracity with the "this is your last chance Jabba."
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 11:27 PM

Questioning Obi Wan, why would you give your opponent, one you taught and who knows your routine, an advantage by saying "Don't try it, I have the high ground" after he matched you move for move during the duel and in a couple of areas could have beaten you? Why give him all that balance and fairness especially when he destroyed or was very instrumental in killing off your friends, collegues, mentors, etc? Since you're tasked with stopping him because of the powerful baddie he'sbecome and hence you're trying to stop the badness he's going to unleash from here on in toward the whole galaxy, does a warning make a lot of logical sense?
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Posted 01 June 2006 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (Darth Player @ May 27 2006, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why give him all that balance and fairness especially when he destroyed or was very instrumental in killing off your friend's, collegue's, mentor's children?

that's what you meant to say, right?

There was no set-up for the line. If we KNEW it was significant, or had blatantly (even subtely) seen it used before, it would have been backed by meaning.

It's as throwaway as the idea that a fucking jedi knight can't be in a relationship. We got that from the prequels too. And oh yeah; by the way, the force passes through your sperm so therefore relationships are doubly bad- we'd rather scoop up younglings where and how as we see fit, than grow our own offspring from the pedigrees which exist.

Idiot Lucas is Pissing on you people. Taste it and see for yourself.
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