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The worm of suck. "BIG PERM, BIG WORM!"

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 04:18 PM

OK, I'll happily cop to it...the worm in ESB is ridiculous. I know there's been a big back and forth about whether or not people walking around in the belly of a giant space worm is as awful as the lava fight in ROTS, and I really can't see how anyone can defend the worm. It makes no sense, it accomplishes nothing plot-wise, and it looks like the crappy hand puppet it actually is. BUT...the lava scene still comes off infitely worse, and the comparison isn't even close. The puppet worm could be completely removed from the film and everything else would still stay the same. The Falcon would still hide in the asteroid, Han and Leia would still hook up and they would have had to have left eventually...granted, if they could have just hidden, maybe the hyperdrive would be able to be fixed and then no Bespin, but you can still make them have to flee by having the Tie bombers cause a cave in. That lava scene, however, is absolutely integral to not only ROTS, but BOTH trilogies! The worm can be laughed/glared/cringed at and then forgotten as a brief blemish on a damn fine film, but the lava surfing is in THE climatic scene of the entire PT, and is supposedly fullfilling what we've been told or gleaned from the OT. Its importance only makes its ridiculousness that much more apparent...combine that with the fact it's framed by a film that typically gets "well, it wasn't as shitty as the first two" compliments at best and yes, it does come off infinitely worse than the worm, and is like comparing apples and hand grenades.

But damn, that worm DOES suck.

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 04:20 PM

I really dislike the worm.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE (Otal Nimrodi @ May 16 2006, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really dislike the worm.


It's downright PT-esque in its awfulness.

I wonder if that was one of Lucas' big contributions to the movie he had the least direct involvement with. It does seem pretty random in the midst of all the quality stuff around it.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 05:06 PM

Yeah, I also think the worm is kinda stupid. But as you say, it can't be compared to the stupidness of the PT:
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 05:08 PM

Yeah, I mean, it's pointless, and, when watching it, all I could think was... "What is that thing there for?" But, even if Lucas WASN'T behind it, I suppose everyone has their off-days.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 06:24 PM

lucas couldn't have been behind it... it didn't explode or fly.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE (barend @ May 16 2006, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lucas couldn't have been behind it... it didn't explode or fly.


Because he didn't envision it that way or because the technology did not exist to realizehisvision?
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 06:29 PM

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 07:33 PM

I love the worm, its exciting and freaky. Star Wars is not suppose to make complete sense. It has to follow its own rules, but things do not have to be 100% accurate. The worm lived off the vital nutrients in the asteriod. The mylocks got in there when the asteriod was still part of a planet. When the planet distengrated into floating rocks, the worm survived. In his body cavity was precious carbon dioxide that the mylock offspring learned to adapt to. The worm has no stomach juices, it simply uses its body to break down food. The mylocks avoid squashing because like common rodents they have flexible bone structures.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 07:34 PM

That whole part of the film is weak, from the stupid time issues with Luke's training to the worm to the amazing love scenes (not quite as amazing as AotC's though, naturally).
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 08:13 PM

Much more amazing, and the romantic pinnacle of the saga. Even At the Movies ran that scene with one of the Superman II scenes as examples of romance in the blockbusters that summer. Credible stuff. But the PT? You're breaking my heart.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ May 16 2006, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love the worm, its exciting and freaky. Star Wars is not suppose to make complete sense. It has to follow its own rules, but things do not have to be 100% accurate. The worm lived off the vital nutrients in the asteriod. The mylocks got in there when the asteriod was still part of a planet. When the planet distengrated into floating rocks, the worm survived. In his body cavity was precious carbon dioxide that the mylock offspring learned to adapt to. The worm has no stomach juices, it simply uses its body to break down food. The mylocks avoid squashing because like common rodents they have flexible bone structures.


None of that matters when it comes to making a good film. It ends up becoming excuse making. SW fails the second you have to overthink it.

QUOTE (jariten @ May 16 2006, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That whole part of the film is weak, from the stupid time issues with Luke's training to the worm to the amazing love scenes (not quite as amazing as AotC's though, naturally).


Time issues, shmime issues. If you want an hour of training and meditating, go put in a Tae Bo DVD. Besides, you're acting like Luke was super duper Jedi after his brief stint with Yoda. He disobeys his master, flies off to save his friends and gets his ass kicked by Vader AND fails at saving his best friend. He pays a huge price for cutting his training short...remember the little hand being cut off bit? You keep bringing up the "time issues" as if Luke becomes a great Jedi in ESB despite how little training we see. He doesn't. The time issues don't actually crop up until Jedi when we see that Luke has not been back to see Yoda, but is now apparently a Jedi master. That is absurd, and not surprising given the crappy movie it shows up in.

And what the hell is wrong with Han and Leia falling for each other? It's opposites attract and it feels a thousand trillion bajillion kakillion times more natural and unforced than the virtual date rape we witness in the PT.
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 12:01 AM

If you want to ascribe blame for the worm, then blame one of the influences Lucas supposedly used for SW, Joseph Campbell, professor of mythological history and author of the book The Hero With A Thousand Faces, among others. The worm makes as much sense in the real world as does the whale in the Old Testament which swallowed Jonah to take him back to the city he didn't want to preach at, because God was calling the shots and you cannot avoid your destiny with him, because his plan for you will come to fruition no matter how hard you try to stray from it. So it is in the old Testament story and many others where characters intersect with the beast and are changed in some way by it.

5t works onscreen because as an audience, we don't expect something like that to exist or appear in the high tech universe we see before then. It reinforces the 'caves are spooky places filled with dangerous stuff' quality of storytelling and is a foreshadowing of a dark event Luke is witness to in another cave on Dagobah.

As for the lava fight, the rumor that was around many years before ROTScame out, indeed even before ROTJ was filmed, was that Obi Wan and Vader fight on a planet and make their way to a volcano where Obi Wan barely manages to overcome Vader at the last minute and Vader falls in, later to be saved by the Emperor. No 'lava planet' was mentioned nor was one needed to exist. If Obi Wan spotted the volcano on his approach to the planet upon landing and then realized 'Indiana Jones Style' that he could use the obstacle to a last desperate advantage to get rid of Vader and save himself, it would have been far more elegant and subdued than the all out lava fest on Mustafar we got.

And ROTS failed to deliver on one line that is rendered meaningless from ESB, mainly when Luke arrives at Dagobah and says "Still, there's something familiar about this place..." OK, GL, how? According to the events in ROTS, that would be beyond an impossibility.

And as for the abbreviated training, Obi Wan and later Yoda aren't training Luke to be another and perhaps last Jedi to take on Vader and the Emperor, they're turning a father against a son, or trying to coax Vader back from the Dark Side to set things right again. I know the Obi Wan line in ROTJ "he's more machine now than man' seems to contradict this, but for what we see during the first two films, an arguement can be made for it to be there. And the abbreviated training is more a fault of Luke's than either one of them.

And finally, the space worm makes more sense in the film than does the Rancor in ROTJ. Having a beast that big in a space so small would require more feedings than is implied, so much so that any sentient being in Jabba's court would say "I'm sorry Jabba, but the trap door in the floor routine every fifteen minutes is beyond state now, and I've just been here for three days. You'd think the stench of those before coming up from the grates would tip off the sluts you have chained before you before they fell in. Invest in a length of brass pole for some change of pace, dude....." After all, the biggest crime boss in the galaxy resides above where the fierce creature takes massive dumps which unless they smell like chocolate, must have made palace living a hell to say the least.
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 08:53 AM

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And finally, the space worm makes more sense in the film than does the Rancor in ROTJ. Having a beast that big in a space so small would require more feedings than is implied, so much so that any sentient being in Jabba's court would say "I'm sorry Jabba, but the trap door in the floor routine every fifteen minutes is beyond state now, and I've just been here for three days. You'd think the stench of those before coming up from the grates would tip off the sluts you have chained before you before they fell in. Invest in a length of brass pole for some change of pace, dude....." After all, the biggest crime boss in the galaxy resides above where the fierce creature takes massive dumps which unless they smell like chocolate, must have made palace living a hell to say the least.


I can't believe I'm defending this, since it's part of a such lame series of events in a pretty lame movie, but I thought it was pretty obvious the big fat guy who sobs like a baby after the Rancor is killed was its trainer or kepper, and probably fed it reguarly. Plus the thing was kept behind a big solid metal gate until it was time to eat the people Jabba dropped down, so maybe he did most of his pooping when he's herded back to the other side. Still doesn't explain where all of those turds go...or how anyone cleans/feeds down there without being eaten themselves. Besides, I think Jabba himself probably causes more of a funk in that place than anything else. Where does HE drop a deuce?

Man, that really is just a case of terrible animal cruelty...

And how stupid is it Jabba seemingly has that ONE tiny trapdoor RIGHT in front of his dais? What if the person he wants offed isn't standing right over it? The guy probably makes some serious cash...set up random trapdoors all over the place! And wouldn't the tail-headed chick he offs have known where the damn trapdoor was? I suppose maybe when the droids showed up it was her first day on the job, because otherwise, really, pay attention...
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 06:39 PM

i wouldn't stand on a grate with a seem in the middle of it.
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