Which moments in ROTS did work for you?

Another thing to point out about Luke's "piloting".

Luke, who has no experience or training flying an x-wing in space, walks into a briefing room full of trained, experienced pilots with this cocky attitude like "This shit is simple, since I shot womp rats at home in a totally different space craft." and "You guys ain't got shit on me." If I were the other pilots hearing someone who never has fought a battle in his life talking about how easy it is to destroy the Empire's biggest weapon, I would probably kick his ass.

If there was some training program on Tatooine that Luke participated in, then I would buy it. But I don't think his T-16 flying could have ever prepared him to be that successful for his first time of sitting in that x-wing.

The moral of the story is that both scenarios are highly unrealistic.

This post has been edited by Storm: 16 May 2006 - 10:16 PM

We know that. But one is unrealistic in the context of an already unrealistic fantasy film, and the other is so absurd it's not even remotely close to being in the same galactic orbit of "unrealistic." Both work perfectly in the context of the films they occur in, namely that ANH is realism-stretched fantasy that still works on a basic narrative/filmmaking/storytelling level and TPM is a series of wacky highjinks and hilarious escapades that barely make up a single coherrent film.

This constant insistence for what essentially amount to learning tutorials is baffling...such things do NOT make good or even watchable films unless you get off on office space learning films. ANH is constantly escalating the tension once they escape the Death Star...the Rebel base is going to be destroyed, Han is leaving, this is our only chance to win, etc., etc.. Stopping the film dead with a sequence of Luke in a simulator or sitting in on a "flying an x-wing 101" class is simply terrible pacing. Having been told he's a good pilot and then seeing him be a good pilot is not a massive jump by any stretch of the imagination except for people going waaaaaaaaaaay out of their way to find flaws to try and justify the terrible movies they're defending. Again, it's basic plot/character development. Being told Luke is a pilot plus the x-factor of this mysterious Force thing we've been hyped up about makes the climax of ANH fit in perfectly with the context of the rest of the film. It's a seamless plot development, period. What Storm and jariten are asking for simply does not exist in well made, exciting and watchable films.