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Definitive List of Inconsistences between the OT and PT?

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 01:36 AM

I'd like to put together a complete (as much as we can) list of contradictions between the classic trilogy (original, special edition, 2004 editions, doesn't matter) and the Prequel Trilogy.

Let's try not to get off topic, and just list them, concisely, and not offer explanations or go off into EU territory, just list, and if they are contradicted in a single movie only, list the movie

1- Obi-Wan serving Bail Organa in the Clone Wars (ANH)
2- Clone WarS, plural (ANH)
3- Age of the Republic - "for Over a Thousand Generations" (ANH) vs. "Which has stood for a thousand years" (AOTC)
4- Obi-Wan Kenobi's master (ESB)
5- Anakin wanting Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough but Owen wouldn't allow it (ANH)
6- Apparent ages of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Owen & Beru Lars; Anakin (ANH; ROTJ)
7- Design of the Tantive IV and Death Star (ANH)

For a seperate list we could list contradictions within the classic trilogy, but for now let's just assume the OT is a "coherent self contained reality" that we're comparing to the PT as a second "self contained reality."

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 06:33 AM

This is a good idea, but i'm not sure about your choices.

QUOTE (KurganX @ Apr 1 2006, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1- Obi-Wan serving Bail Organa in the Clone Wars (ANH)

He didn't?

2- Clone WarS, plural (ANH)

You can't be serious.

3- Age of the Republic - "for Over a Thousand Generations" (ANH) vs. "Which has stood for a thousand years" (AOTC)

This is a good one (even if it is "blink and you'll miss it)


4- Obi-Wan Kenobi's master (ESB)

Yoda trained Obi until Qui took over. You see Yoda training kids in AotC.


5- Anakin wanting Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough but Owen wouldn't allow it (ANH)

Come on now, that wasn't the only 'white lie' Ben used to suger coat the truth to Luke at that point. Theres no way thats an "inconsistancy"

6- Apparent ages of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Owen & Beru Lars; Anakin (ANH; ROTJ)

?

7- Design of the Tantive IV and Death Star (ANH)

They seemed alright to me. Then again, I don't own any "incredible cross sections" books either.


You missed the biggest one for me

How does Leia remember something of Padme but Luke nothing?
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 06:46 AM

Leia didn't say that she remembered Padme, just her mother...

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 07:35 AM

I agree with jariten that 2 and 5 are not really inconsistencies. 4, however, is definitely an inconsistency - Obi-Wan describes Yoda as 'the Jedi Master who trained me', not 'one of the Jedi Masters who trained me', implying that at least the majority of his training was undertaken by Yoda. Luke asks Leia about 'your real mother' (besides, the entire point of that scene was that we know Leia's mother is also Luke's), so that's also an inconsistency.

8) Leia remembers the mother who died thirty seconds after she was born - and Luke does not. (RotJ)
9) Owen Lars doesn't recognise C-3P0 at all. (ANH)
10) Obi-Wan claims not to have heard his real name since before Luke was born. (ANH)
11) Anakin being 'a great pilot' when Obi-Wan first met him (and no, there is absolutely no way you're going to convince me that 'pod-racer' is the same thing as 'pilot'). (RotJ)
12) Obi-Wan's claim that "When I first knew him... I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him." (RotJ) Actually, he hadn't even met Anakin when he did the 'Midichlorian test'. (TPM)
13) Vader tells Luke that "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" (i.e. that he could be redeemed), but there's absolutely no evidence of that in RotS. (RotJ)
14) Obi-Wan's claim that Owen "didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved". (ANH) But Owen barely knew Anakin and never said anything of the sort. (AotC)

I know there's more, but that's enough to be going on with for the moment...
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (Helena @ Apr 1 2006, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with jariten that 2 and 5 are not really inconsistencies. 4, however, is definitely an inconsistency - Obi-Wan describes Yoda as 'the Jedi Master who trained me', not 'one of the Jedi Masters who trained me', implying that at least the majority of his training was undertaken by Yoda. Luke asks Leia about 'your real mother' (besides, the entire point of that scene was that we know Leia's mother is also Luke's), so that's also an inconsistency.

8) Leia remembers the mother who died thirty seconds after she was born - and Luke does not. (RotJ) Lucas explained that she felt a brief force connection with her mother, thats why she says she only remembers feelings really.
9) Owen Lars doesn't recognise C-3P0 at all. (ANH)
C-3po did nothing special when he was with owen. do know how many protocol droids they probably have had.
10) Obi-Wan claims not to have heard his real name since before Luke was born. (ANH)
Watch RotS. he isnt called obiwan at all after luke is born.
11) Anakin being 'a great pilot' when Obi-Wan first met him (and no, there is absolutely no way you're going to convince me that 'pod-racer' is the same thing as 'pilot'). (RotJ)Well, then thats your problem, because that is definately part of his piloting skills. they built podracing up as a very dangerous race, not just a gocart race. Anakin also destroyed the control ship.
12) Obi-Wan's claim that "When I first knew him... I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him." (RotJ) Actually, he hadn't even met Anakin when he did the 'Midichlorian test'. (TPM) What, he couldnt have been amazed at the force when he met him, not have sensed his strenght?
13) Vader tells Luke that "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" (i.e. that he could be redeemed), but there's absolutely no evidence of that in RotS. (RotJ)Thats what the whole speech before the final duel in RotS is about.
14) Obi-Wan's claim that Owen "didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved". (ANH) But Owen barely knew Anakin and never said anything of the sort. (AotC)Why does it have to be said in a movie? Wouldnt you have been pissed if owen said in AotC "I dont hold with your ideals anakin. I wish you wont get involved."
I know there's more, but that's enough to be going on with for the moment...

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 02:31 PM

Revan-47, did you read the beginning of KurganX's post? This is not the place for pathetic gusher excuses. If you want to bicker about these things, start another thread (and find someone who cares; I've refuted every one of those arguments 300 times before and I'm not going to bother doing it again). I stand by every one of the inconsistencies I mentioned, and here are some more:

15) The entire concept of Midichlorians, which was never mentioned - or even hinted at - in the entire OT. (Yes, introducing important plot elements only to completely forget about them later on DOES count as an inconsistency.)
16) Ditto the prophecy of a Chosen One who'll bring Balance to the Force.
17) Ditto the idea of the Force being 'out of balance' in the first place. In fact, Yoda states quite clearly in ESB that the dark side is not stronger.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 06:22 PM

Yes, I do include "lies" as part of the inconsistencies, because if they aren't explained AS lies in the Original Trilogy then it means they only become lies based on what we learn in the Prequels.

By the apparent ages of the characters, I mean compare their physical ages in ROTS vs. their ages in ANH. They look at least 10-15 years older than they would realistically be with the passage of time. The age of Luke & Leia due to their natural growth into young adults puts an upper limit on the time that passes between the two trilogies. Yet other characters appear to age much faster than they do.

And yes you're correct, I'm not asking for "fixes" or "work arounds" or explanations, only a list of inconsistencies, free of EU retcons, fan patches or Lucas excuses. Imagine you watch the original trilogy then the prequel trilogy, what sticks out as "not fitting" or a plot hole?

Thanks for contributing, I couldn't remember them all myself, keep 'em coming! More:

(And some of these go backwards too:)

18) If the Empire has camo-colored armor for their troopers (since the Republic becomes the Empire), why didn't they use them on Endor?

19) If the Republic stormtroopers can "see through" dust clouds and shoot accurately, as they appear to demonstrate in AOTC, why do they lose this ability under the Empire? (see R2D2's "smoke screen" on Bespin in ESB)?

20) Speed of movement, flipping ability, etc. of even "elder Jedi" (and Sith) in the Republic era, vs. relatively sluggish, slowed down movement and grounded nature of fighting in the post-Republic era.

21) Why didn't Yoda teach Luke or at least warn him about the Emperor's force lightning? (forget the novel, we never saw him even attempt to block it onscreen)

22) More on the Death Star: Why did the first Death Star take so long to build, vs. the much shorter time for the second Death Star which was supposed to be larger and more powerful?

23) Plot hole: Why does Owen Lars try to "hold Luke back" and exhibit anger and resentment towards Obi-Wan. We only get hints of what's going on in ANH (he's "afraid" that Luke is too much like his father), does he know about Anakin being Vader? Is it all an act? Obi-Wan makes it sound like he is in great tension with Owen, but this is never truly explained.

24) Why did they think it was a good idea to "hide" Luke with his family on Tatooine, in the very house that Anakin had visited, on his home planet, and keep the surname of Skywalker? And Obi-Wan only changed his first name and hide close by, in his Jedi uniform?

25) Plot hole: Did R2D2 have his memory erased? Did Obi-Wan? We only know Threepio did, because he doesn't remember anything before Captain Antilles on the Tantive IV.

26) Han Solo doesn't believe in the Force, despite being so well traveled. Okay, he would have been a little kid at the end of the Clone War at best, but he's best buddies with Chewbacca, who fought in the war, AND was close personal friends with one of the top Jedi, Yoda. Did Han just blow off Chewie's war stories about fighting alongside the Jedi and how those guys got a raw deal from the Empire?

27) Does Jabba remember the name Skywalker? After all, Anakin was supposedly the first and only human to win the Boonta Eve pod Race. Then again, he appears to have slept through the ending ceremony in TPM, but still, as the sponsor or person in charge, he should have known something about it. If any connection was made in his mind, he never let it show in the movie.

28) Why doesn't Palpatine use a lightsaber in the classic trilogy? Considering how useless his guards are, it wouldn't seem very logical to go unarmed as the Emperor.

29) Plot hole (or rather a loose end): how did the mysterious cave become "a domain of evil" on Dagobah? This is never explained.

30) How did Anakin figure out how to appear as a ghost at the end of ROTJ, and why did he appear as a young man, instead of how he appeared at death, as Obi-Wan and Yoda did? Why didn't Qui Gon also appear, since he was supposed to be the one who started this whole "retaining your identity after death" thing?

31) Loose end: "Sith Eyes" (yellowish pupils, surrounded by red) are never explained. Palpatine always has them as soon as he turns into prune face. Maul always has them, Dooku never does, Anakin only has them at two points (when he's murdering the Seperatist leaders and when he's burning up on Mustafar). What do they mean, if anything?
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 06:56 PM

Just one thing regarding Anakin's lightsaber: that was already shown to be a lie in ESB. If Vader didn't even realise he had a son until after the Death Star, how could he have wanted Luke to have it? You could regard it as inconsistent if you're not willing to believe Obi-Wan was just flat-out lying, but that's an inconsistency within the OT, not between the OT and PT.

Just thought of another:

32) R2's rocket boosters. Never seen in the OT.

This post has been edited by Helena: 01 April 2006 - 07:16 PM

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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 07:22 PM

While I agree with your complaint Helena, if the OP wanted inconsistancies, and then whats posted arent inconsistancies, then they dont belong in the list, surely? You agreed with me on a couple of points earlier in the thread on this. Although I do think its interesting that every point that doesnt back you up, regardless of what it is, instantly becomes a "pathetic gusher excuse" or whatever phrase it was you used.

To keep in the spirit though, i'm going to white out all the points that I think arent inconsistancies, so that it'll be up to you to read them or not. Then to keep in the spirit, i'll add a few of mine at the end. Quite frankly, more than a few of them were reaching, but anyway...

ps I cant figure out how to use the text colour box. so if you dont want to read the next bit, you can just skip it.


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9) Owen Lars doesn't recognise C-3P0 at all. (ANH)


I've always conceeded that this is an inconsistancy, although its partially forgiven when it seems that Lars is so eager to have their memories erased, esp. when talk of Anakin comes up. The fact that he clearly doesnt recognise 3PO (the voice at least, I know he didnt see him completed) on first contact sticks out.

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11) Anakin being 'a great pilot' when Obi-Wan first met him (and no, there is absolutely no way you're going to convince me that 'pod-racer' is the same thing as 'pilot'). (RotJ)


Sadly though, TPM uses the verb "to pilot" to describe the act of flying a pod about, so while I understand your problem, its right there in the world.

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12) Obi-Wan's claim that "When I first knew him... I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him." (RotJ) Actually, he hadn't even met Anakin when he did the 'Midichlorian test'. (TPM)


"First knew" is not the same as "first met".

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13) Vader tells Luke that "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" (i.e. that he could be redeemed), but there's absolutely no evidence of that in RotS. (RotJ)


I really disagree with this one.

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16) Ditto the prophecy of a Chosen One who'll bring Balance to the Force.


They had quite clearly abandoned the idea of the prophecy after the disaster in RotS. Obi thinks Anakins kids might have a chance against the Emperor (knowing they'll be born Force users of course) but that has nothing to do with any prophecy. Both Obi and Yoda believed they'd failed.


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18) If the Empire has camo-colored armor for their troopers (since the Republic becomes the Empire), why didn't they use them on Endor?


Against the "insignificant" threat?

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19) If the Republic stormtroopers can "see through" dust clouds and shoot accurately, as they appear to demonstrate in AOTC, why do they lose this ability under the Empire? (see R2D2's "smoke screen" on Bespin in ESB)?


??!!

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20) Speed of movement, flipping ability, etc. of even "elder Jedi" (and Sith) in the Republic era, vs. relatively sluggish, slowed down movement and grounded nature of fighting in the post-Republic era.


Are you comparing Mauls moves to Vaders?!

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23) etc.


He quite clearly knows. I dont see how this is a plot hole.
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24) Why did they think it was a[code] good idea to "hide" Luke with his family on Tatooine, in the very house that Anakin had visited, on his home planet, and keep the surname of Skywalker? And Obi-Wan only changed his first name and hide close by, in his Jedi uniform?


Since everyone thought the twins were dead, no one would be looking, so it wouldnt have made any difference where they put him. You also seem to be under the strange impression that theres only one family in the whole universe with the surname "skywalker". also see number 27.

As for 30, this one goes on and on, but Anakin was able to retain the form of his "good" self (or however you want to put it) when he became a ghost. Thats why hes different to Obi and Yoda, who were with the light side till the end.
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1. What happened to the Force Run that Obi and Qui use in TPM? Its introduced at the start, then never reappears, even when it would obviously be most useful (although this might just be a PT only plot hole, Luke surely wouldnt be strong enough to use it anyway)

2. If they're supposed to be in hiding, and esp. hiding the fact that hes a Jedi, why does senile Obi whip out the lightsabre in the cantina?

anyway i'm sure theres lots more. sorry about the lack of white out thing.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 08:34 PM

35) Obi-wan conveniently forgot about Leia when he says ‘that boy was our last hope.’
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 08:54 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Apr 1 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Revan-47, did you read the beginning of KurganX's post? This is not the place for pathetic gusher excuses. If you want to bicker about these things, start another thread (and find someone who cares; I've refuted every one of those arguments 300 times before and I'm not going to bother doing it again). I stand by every one of the inconsistencies I mentioned, and here are some more:

15) The entire concept of Midichlorians, which was never mentioned - or even hinted at - in the entire OT. (Yes, introducing important plot elements only to completely forget about them later on DOES count as an inconsistency.)
16) Ditto the prophecy of a Chosen One who'll bring Balance to the Force.
17) Ditto the idea of the Force being 'out of balance' in the first place. In fact, Yoda states quite clearly in ESB that the dark side is not stronger.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 09:09 PM

I agree entirely with you, jariten. None of the ones whited out are inconsistencies. They are all explained in the movies. However, I digress from the reason I replied...

QUOTE (jariten @ Apr 1 2006, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. What happened to the Force Run that Obi and Qui use in TPM? Its introduced at the start, then never reappears, even when it would obviously be most useful (although this might just be a PT only plot hole, Luke surely wouldnt be strong enough to use it anyway)


Ah, the seemingly useful Force Run ability... 'Ben' Kenobi's too old, and too out of practice for it to do him any good; Vader uses the Force just to keep his heavy mechanical body from falling over (the main reason he isn't quite as fast as he used to be); Yoda... where is he going to run to? He lives in a swamp; Luke may not have been trained how to use it because of the amount of training he was force-fed within the small period of time; There was really no reason to use the ability throughout the rest of the PT, so why bother. I don't see this as an inconsistency at all... more like a 'look what Jedi are capable of doing' trick to portray the Jedi as more than mere humans/aliens.

QUOTE (jariten @ Apr 1 2006, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. If they're supposed to be in hiding, and esp. hiding the fact that hes a Jedi, why does senile Obi whip out the lightsabre in the cantina?


Good question. Here's why he does it: Although they are in hiding, Ben Kenobi realizes the truth. The Jedi must survive by any means necessary if they are to restore balance to the Force. If Ben died, Luke may not have sought Yoda. If Luke dies... there's always Leia, but why risk the chance of losing him when he's right there, ready to begin his training? I think the main reason Ben used his lightsaber was to show Luke what a Jedi was capable of. After he put his lightsaber away, everyone backed away and went about their business as if they saw nothing happen in the first place.

Another reason is because Tattooine is part of Hutt space. As a planet under Hutt control, the Empire was not given a warm reception. Before ANH, the Empire plotted to destroy Nar Shaddaa (The Smuggler's Moon) because of the crime of smuggling glitterstim spice and weaponry (considered illegal during the Empire's rise to power). Tattooine, if I remember correctly, is in the Y'toub Sector of the galaxy, which also contains Nar Shaddaa, and Nal Hutta. In other words, one Jedi in the midst of the criminal worlds of the Y'toub System controlled by the Hutt clans is hard to spot from the core of the galaxy. Nobody's going to rat out a kooky old man in a bar full of criminals.

QUOTE (jariten @ Apr 1 2006, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
anyway i'm sure theres lots more. sorry about the lack of white out thing.


That's alright. I do believe there are inconsistencies in all six movies, but the majority of the 'inconsistencies' that are brought up here are nothing more than simple misunderstandings or nitpicks. Take for instance: midichlorians. They are the most misunderstood thing in the entire SW universe. The midichlorians are not a way to measure how strong in the Force somebody is. That's what everybody believes and that's why they think they are a bunch of b.s. They are living organisms inside a persons' cells that react to the Force. It is nothing more than a way to tell if a person is Force-sensitive or not. That's it. Nothing more. Qui-Gon Jinn explained this quite thoroughly in TPM. They aren't that important. Characters such as Boba Fett and Han Solo have a low M.C. count, while Jedi or Sith have a relatively high M.C. count. It just means they are more susceptible to the Force if their M.C. count is above average. The Jedi could never have trained Han Solo... it would have been a waste of time.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Apr 1 2006, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree entirely with you, jariten. None of the ones whited out are inconsistencies. They are all explained in the movies. However, I digress from the reason I replied...
Ah, the seemingly useful Force Run ability... 'Ben' Kenobi's too old, and too out of practice for it to do him any good; Vader uses the Force just to keep his heavy mechanical body from falling over (the main reason he isn't quite as fast as he used to be); Yoda... where is he going to run to? He lives in a swamp; Luke may not have been trained how to use it because of the amount of training he was force-fed within the small period of time; There was really no reason to use the ability throughout the rest of the PT, so why bother. I don't see this as an inconsistency at all... more like a 'look what Jedi are capable of doing' trick to portray the Jedi as more than mere humans/aliens.
Good question. Here's why he does it: Although they are in hiding, Ben Kenobi realizes the truth. The Jedi must survive by any means necessary if they are to restore balance to the Force. If Ben died, Luke may not have sought Yoda. If Luke dies... there's always Leia, but why risk the chance of losing him when he's right there, ready to begin his training? I think the main reason Ben used his lightsaber was to show Luke what a Jedi was capable of. After he put his lightsaber away, everyone backed away and went about their business as if they saw nothing happen in the first place.

Another reason is because Tattooine is part of Hutt space. As a planet under Hutt control, the Empire was not given a warm reception. Before ANH, the Empire plotted to destroy Nar Shaddaa (The Smuggler's Moon) because of the crime of smuggling glitterstim spice and weaponry (considered illegal during the Empire's rise to power). Tattooine, if I remember correctly, is in the Y'toub Sector of the galaxy, which also contains Nar Shaddaa, and Nal Hutta. In other words, one Jedi in the midst of the criminal worlds of the Y'toub System controlled by the Hutt clans is hard to spot from the core of the galaxy. Nobody's going to rat out a kooky old man in a bar full of criminals.
That's alright. I do believe there are inconsistencies in all six movies, but the majority of the 'inconsistencies' that are brought up here are nothing more than simple misunderstandings or nitpicks. Take for instance: midichlorians. They are the most misunderstood thing in the entire SW universe. The midichlorians are not a way to measure how strong in the Force somebody is. That's what everybody believes and that's why they think they are a bunch of b.s. They are living organisms inside a persons' cells that react to the Force. It is nothing more than a way to tell if a person is Force-sensitive or not. That's it. Nothing more. Qui-Gon Jinn explained this quite thoroughly in TPM. They aren't that important. Characters such as Boba Fett and Han Solo have a low M.C. count, while Jedi or Sith have a relatively high M.C. count. It just means they are more susceptible to the Force if their M.C. count is above average. The Jedi could never have trained Han Solo... it would have been a waste of time.


I thought we were going to be spared this crap in this thread.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 09:52 PM

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There was really no reason to use the ability throughout the rest of the PT, so why bother


It probably would've come in handy in the arena on Geonosis.

ANYWAY! not trying to derail the thread or anything. So heres another

Moff Tarkin: "You my friend are all thats left of their religion", when he was standing right next to Sidious in RotS! (unless he didnt know that he was a sith...)
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 09:58 PM

He'd have to be PRETTY damn unobservant.
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