[sargon1955]

If the prequels had been made differently, such that they omitted the elements that so many of us find annoying/unnecessary/trite/conflicting with the originals/juvenile etc., and went in a direction that those who hate the prequels liked (as much as, say, Empire Strikes Back), would you:

o Be as dissatisfied as we are now?

o Love them just as much as you love the prequels?

o Love them more than the current sequels?

o Consider these questions completely irrelevant, because anything George Lucas does with Star Wars is loved by you by definition?

This post has been edited by sargon1955: 26 March 2006 - 10:24 AM

[Revan-47]

I would love them more probably, if they cut out all of the annoying kid antics, basically because im not a kid. it might dissapoint the younger and older viewers though.(thats right i said older, my father loves the bit where qui gon grabs jar jar's tounge.) I like most of the rest of the movies though, and some things, i might be dissapointed if they changed.

[barend]

i think its really patronizing that people think kids need to be prominent in films for kids to enjoy watching them...

i loved star wars as a kid, and it didn't need to resort to childish antics to win me over... same with conan, and many other adventure films.

people just seem to forget that once they have kids... they become so over protective that they can't be objective anymore and start going all soft...

except sharon stone.

[Little Nippatiz]

In the right hands, kid actors can be an asset to a story such as with James Cameron's "Aliens." The purose of Newt was the driving hope for Ripley . In fact the whole experience made her act like an adult, And not one did Newt do anything childish or say "yippee".

But that's in the right hands......

[Sailor Abbey]

James Cameron's "Aliens."

What a great movie.

I might have liked the PT more if everything/person/event wasn’t interrelated. And maybe if the acting wasn’t so lame. Come to think of it, if the acting wouldn’t have been so dreadfully awful, I might have been able to look past the rest of the crappyness, but it was just so distracting. That and those goddamn plot holes, I mean, how does GL not remember stuff that happened in the OT - they're his movies for fucksake.

[Little Nippatiz]

I imagine a world where the prequels where directed by talents like Quentin Tarantino (ep3), James Cameron (Ep2), and for giggles, Kevin Smith (Ep1).
Instead if Jar-Jar, there would of been Jay-Jay.

Ah,...to dream of what might of been.

[Sailor Abbey]

Jay and Silent Bob would have been excellent additions to TPM and the PT in general. Its not like they could have made it any worse.

[barend]

Boss Nas: Is this true? did you offer these men a life debt?
Jay-Jay: uh huh...
Boss Nas: THen you are free to go.
Jay-Jay: DI - NO - MITE!!!!

This post has been edited by barend: 28 March 2006 - 06:28 PM

[jariten]

1. How can I state my opinion on something I haven't seen, and doesn't even exist?

2. You missed the point anyway. Which is, because you find things

annoying/unnecessary/trite/conflicting with the originals/juvenile etc.

, doesn't mean I, or anyone else does.

[sargon1955]

because you find things
annoying/unnecessary/trite/conflicting with the originals/juvenile etc., doesn't mean I, or anyone else does.

Let's see.....you post on a web site with a moderator who's listed dozens of reasons (outlining why the prequels are annoying/unnecessary/trite/conflicting with the originals/juvenile etc.) why he hates the prequels, and which draws considerable numbers of people posting that they feel the same way, yet somehow you're oblivious to it all, and therefore contend I "could be" the "only one" who thinks this about the prequels. Even the most zealous of the prequel defenders I've encountered don't display that level of denial about fan disatisfaction.

It is interesting that apparently you don't want to think about any possibilities that differ from what Lucas did.

This post has been edited by sargon1955: 30 March 2006 - 08:29 AM

[jariten]

Let's see.....you post on a web site with a moderator who's listed dozens of reasons (outlining why the prequels are annoying/unnecessary/trite/conflicting with the originals/juvenile etc.) why he hates the prequels, and which draws considerable numbers of people posting that they feel the same way, yet somehow you're oblivious to it all, and therefore contend I "could be" the "only one" who thinks this about the prequels. Even the most zealous of the prequel defenders I've encountered don't display that level of denial about fan disatisfaction.

It is interesting that apparently you don't want to think about any possibilities that differ from what Lucas did.

eh?

All I stated was I personally can't answer your question because I have nothing to base it on. I never said you were the only one who thinks anything but how can I imagine a film without these "annoying" elements or whatever if you don't state what these elements are?

For example, imagine you said "would you like the PT any more if JJ didnt step in shit on Tatooine?"
I would answer "yes", because you've given me (or whoevers reading it) something to work with.

Thats it.

whys everyone so defensive all the time?

[sargon1955]

I never said you were the only one who thinks anything but how can I imagine a film without these "annoying" elements or whatever if you don't state what these elements are?

Have you read none of Chefelf's lists, or any of the posts on here? There have been plenty of "alternate ways of doing it" discussed. But I think you did answer the question in a roundabout way.

[Revan-47]

Because chefelf and YOU are experts on moviemaking.

[barend]

one doesn't need to be an expert in filmmaking to enjoy or hate a film.

although most of my points that often argued here are ALWAYS embraced by people who actually ARE filmmakers.

why we have a problem with these films seem to be beyond people who don't.

I have friends who love these films and know i hate them, and further more know why i hate them. on some points they think i'm being too harsh and pedantic, but on others they agree but choose to carry a bag of salt with them during each viewing.

however none of them refrained from moaning at "NOOOOOOO!!!" and WHAT HAVE I DONE?" and the "I'M SO IN LOVE DE DURP DE DURP!"

but on the net...

there's some scary repression going on... i somethimes wonder if they were even showing the same movie in the US...

Jaritens biggest defence (or query) is that we ignore the faults in the original but not in the PT. and yet as often as a i state that the OT was a new story and was not in anyway conflicting with itself...

it made some points and painted pictures...

so when at the cinema, i'm there going; "WTF? that's not what ben said..." or "why didn't Vader look there?" or "chewbacca never mentioned that" or "why doesn't uncle owen remember..." or "i'm suprised any one could foreget that... " and so on and so on...

while so many others are happily sitting there lapping up it sugary goodness, not looking for nutrition going; "ooooooooh" and "ahhhhh" and "so when he said, this he actually meant the oppossite... that's cool" and "oh sick, flying R2D2"

I went, intending to enjoy these films, so my dislike for them is not psychological... it is not because of some crazy prejudice...
they just didn't capture the same atmosphere...

and this largley becuase the originals had superior writers taking on the scripts, other dirctors... the films were made with the focus on story telling, and proffessionals intent on making a film that was watchable and that it met certain criteria. The PT was rushed through production to get to Post production quicker, actors were ill informed, and given emotive instruction by a man obbsessed with computers.

there are a lot of people who dan't care about such things so you can make a CGI fest and people will love it. and that's cool... but a trilogy of films was made that really impressed me, and although an SFXfest of the day it had some great emotion and story telling there... and it made me care about these characters. once you emotionally involve people in your characters you have some duty to not fuck your audience around and drag them into a project your heart isn't in.

at least not in a way it should.

he had some new toys to play with and dragged his old story into it becuase he knew he's make more money than if he wrote something new.

what's worse will be the responses to this fucking post!!!

i made a fucking effort here and i know someone is going to to sweep it under the rug and say, no man you're wrong.

no one take this personally but if you do, fuck you!

[Revan-47]

of some crazy prejudice...

I'm prejudice against star wars, im cool.

No joke against you barend, i just think thats funny.

This post has been edited by Revan-47: 30 March 2006 - 10:26 PM