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Posted 24 March 2006 - 02:09 PM

Yeah, there definitely isn’t enough.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 02:26 PM

Here's 12 reasons why I hate the prequels as a whole so much---

1) George said that the entire story planned out and in his head, yet changes continuity between films.

2) George HAD to do other projects first ( Howard the Duck-Radioland Murders, etc) to be a better artist before returning to do these films.

3) Boasting that the prequels can ONLY be made when the technology catches up to his vision. which in turn insults the talented special effects artists that helped create his vision in the beginning.

4) Alters, tampers, updates, changes dialog to the original trilogy to fit in with the prequels instead of the other way around. ( A side note to this---Mr Lucas sat on a film board with a few of his peers in the late 80's denouncing the use of colorization on old classic black and white films -altering their original form).

5) George insists on directing and writing the 3 prequels much to his own protests of not wanting to " ...But the fans demand it of me". I think irritates him that many still consider "Empire Strikes Back" (that he did not direct )as good or better then the original

6) Some the most interesting elements of the story happen in between the films. ( The do's and don't s of Anikin's training missions to be a Jedi with Ob1, and the building of the friendship between 1 & 2, The two Jedi becoming heroes of the clone wars between 2 & 3, and finally, the raise of Darth Vaders control over the empire between 3 & 4).

7) Instead of taking unknown actors for the leads ( with a sprinkle of pros) as did in the original, George took mostly accomplished actors in the leads and restrained them to not act. The final result was no chemistry between characters. Just stiffness and whinning.

8) The prequels are centered around senate meetings, council meetings, love meetings, dinners, meditating, etc. Forgot that the original purpose of the saga was suppose to be a wink-wink -nudge-nudge to the old Flash Gorden serials of the 30's ( George's words from back then) . Not to be taken seriously like was done with the original trilogy. To have fun in space. It's ok to have rubber mask aliens around. Not all cgi perfection.

9) No central villain. It's difficult to consider the emperor this since he doesn't reveal himself until the last half of ep3. Why was Darth Maul ( probably the only evil bright spot in the prequels) killed off during the first film? And he was the one most loyal to the Palps. And then why was it nessecery to bring in a rouges gallery of villains that are meaningless when the focus on one quality villain would of made more of an impact in the final be trail.

10) That if not for the original fan base and fan anticipation, these films would of never made it past EP1. It would of failed as being bad filmamking and overblown effects as was Wing Commander or Final Fantasy or Lost in Space bombed. I see no difference. The momentum was maintained do to only the fans knowing where the story is headed with the death-birth of Anikin-Vader. Some 20 some years and 5 to 6 hours more of prequels where filling to this moment to be played out.

11) The music, like the effects became to cluttered. There are a few moments that can be gathered from from all 3 to make one memorable short cd.

12) And finally, the mindless devotion loyal to follow anything Lucas does without question that puts these films at the top of the box office and dvd sales. It truely baffles me.



Sure I'm bitter. But considering any of the above, and the time and money available, why weren't the prequels better?
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 02:41 PM

OY! I do agree a lot with you - BUT:
QUOTE (Little Nippatiz @ Mar 24 2006, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It would of failed as being bad filmamking and overblown effects as was Wing Commander or Final Fantasy or Lost in Space bombed. I see no difference.


Don't... ever... *clenches fists*... compare... Final Fantasy to such rotten movies like... Wing Commander... or... Lost in Space... *tries hard to keep his patience*

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Gobbler @ Mar 24 2006, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OY! I do agree a lot with you - BUT:
Don't... ever... *clenches fists*... compare... Final Fantasy to such rotten movies like... Wing Commander... or... Lost in Space... *tries hard to keep his patience*



My point for this was more about box office failures not to generate sequels as hoped like Godzilla, Van Helsing, Planet of the Apes etc. .
But point taken. Final Fantasy is rewatchable and I do own the Dvd unlike Sith.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 05:10 PM

I love the prequels. I look at them for the essence they have instead of some of the very minor problems. I do find chef's reasons to hate fuckin amusing though.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE (Revan-47 @ Mar 24 2006, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do find chef's reasons to hate fuckin amusing though.


I’m afraid fuckin amusing doesn’t quite say it.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 08:29 PM

QUOTE (Revan-47 @ Mar 24 2006, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love the prequels. I look at them for the essence they have instead of some of the very minor problems. I do find chef's reasons to hate fuckin amusing though.


The TPM ones and most of the AotC ones were good. I thought he was reaching for things to talk about with RotS though.

which sort of brings me back to my only point- the critisicms that people often level at the PT have always existed in SW, but something (called nostalga) tends to see those gaping flaws in the originals swept under the carpet.

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6) Some the most interesting elements of the story happen in between the films. ( The do's and don't s of Anikin's training missions to be a Jedi with Ob1, and the building of the friendship between 1 & 2, The two Jedi becoming heroes of the clone wars between 2 & 3, and finally, the raise of Darth Vaders control over the empire between 3 & 4).


Anakins story arc or whatever you want to call it is plotted out fairly simply across the three films (as you might expect from SW).

Anakin is taken away from his mother in 1, and is unable to forget about her.

She dies in 2, which leads him to blame himself for not being powerful enough (he blames Obi too, but thats still an excuse for why he wasnt able to save her) to stop it. At the same time he falls in love, forming another strong attachment which pretty much sends him back to square one again

That girls life is threatened in 3, and terrified of losing her like he lost Shmi, he puts his lot in with Sid in order to get the power he wished he had wh
en his mother was alive.

Thats what Lucas wanted to show us. Thats what he thought was important, thats what he thought Anakins story was. You can disagree of course and say you hated it, but I personally can't see how Lucas' story arc for the character was incomplete.

Barend- start a topic in one of the OT forums, we both like those films.

civ- you know it.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Mar 24 2006, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jejef: I understand subtlety, and I hate the one prequel episode that I watched. It's a pretty common trait that some folks have when disagreeing with other folks folks, to say that their opponents are not as smart as they are. You should strive not to be so common. I also watched MEMENTO and while I like it a lot, it has two huge flaws in it that ruin its art-house credibility. I won't go into them because this isn't the topic for it and they're pretty subtle.


Right. You understand subtlety, and you hate the one prequel epi... wait a minute... the ONE PREQUEL EPISODE THAT YOU WATCHED?!?!? W. T. F. ?!?!? I'll agree that it's a common trait to criticize an opponent's intelligence when arguing, but is it wrong? Let's see... you've only seen a third of the entire PT and you're agreeing with everyone else that the PT was terrible? That's like trying to convince everyone that neopolitan ice cream is horrible after only eating one of the flavors! That's incredible! Now, I understand! Thank you for clarifying why you hate the PT, civ. {Bashing head repeatedly against wall} Am I still common? Quick! Somebody respond to me with another autonomous view point!

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Jariten: Thanks for the general compliment, which I'm sure was directed almost entirely to my awe-inspiring genius. Notes to Jejef: Jariten's clever tactic of complimenting his opponent while disagreeing, and the correct spelling of genius.


Wow! You are so intelligent that you found a single word that was spelled incorrectly in my last post. That's one of the most intelligent things I've seen anyone write in a post. You are genuinely more intelligent than the mass majority. I could only dream of being so vastly intelligent. Thank you for pointing out my spelling error, civ. I'm just glad they didn't give me that word back in junior high when I took second in the state spelling bee competition. I probably would have taken third! Awesome stuff there, number two! Good job!

So, it's perfectly fine for me to be insulted or corrected, but it's not ok for me to be common and actually have a logical rebuttle? It's ok for you to correct my spelling (albeit for one word, out of over 160 posts) and I appreciate it, but you don't need to rub it in my face. Naa-naa, you can't spell 'genius' correctly, and we can! Quit trying to avoid the topic by making it an agenda to correct somebody's spelling errors. This isn't a spelling bee.

I actually agree with Jariten's posts about ninety percent of the time, and he is clever... but he's also seen the ENTIRE PT, not just a third of it. I once saw things the way Jariten did, but I was insulted, slandered, and told that I was on drugs, which is why I can't humble myself before a group of automatonic droids that are hell-bent on destroying someone's credibility. I won't do it. I'm not quite as common as you assume. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

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It's like those wacky televangelists who used to tell us not to listen to Ozzy because there were Satanic messages if you played the records backwards. Look... if you're playing a record backwards, you DESERVE to hear a Satanic message.

And on that note, we cue the music... "Meh, meh, meh..."
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 01:32 AM

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mellow.gif That's taking things rather a bit seriously, isn't it?

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 04:24 AM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Mar 24 2006, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right. You understand subtlety, and you hate the one prequel epi... wait a minute...

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You seem to have missed the point of my post. I didn't say, as you conclude, that the prequel TRILOGY sucked because of the one I saw. I believe with a strong religious fervour that episodes 2 and 3 are better than THE PHANTOM MENACE, only because they would fucking have to be. The consensus in the basher and gusher worlds however is that episode 2 is actually WORSE, but that episode 3 is better. Bashers say marginally, gushers say get bent, bashers. My reasoning for not seeing them is that I will NOT see a film that even its fans found inferior to THE PHANTOM MENACE, and the praise "marginally better than TPM" that is heaped on RotS by critics who also didn't like the movie I didn't lilke, is, well, faint praise indeed.

Anyway, to repeat, I found that the one episode of the prequel trilogy that I saw sucked. It made me not want to see the others. I am not hell-bent on nostalgia as Jariten frequently claims; I liked Sean Connery as Bond and still loved GOLDENEYE. However the other Pierce Brosnan Bond films sucked. I saw them anyway beause James Bond means nothing to me and I don't care how much it sucks. For the same reason I have seen all ofthe TREK movies: I don't care how bad they are. Watching STAR WARS suck is not even entertaining, because TPM sucked in a leaden and hamhanded way that is was boring, and not funny. The ability to bore is commonplace; I won't equate it with genius.

Your analogy to neapolitan ice cream, by the way, is awesome. I wish it meant something to me, because I like it a lot. Were I interested in seeing more STAR WARS movies, I might say that was the thing that convinced me. You would be the envy of everyone I know. Several of my friends have actually offered me good money to watch the films, and I just won't do it. Sadly, however, the argument, while awesome, and I really mean that, is lost on me. I just have no interest in seeing any more material referencing that galaxy far far away. Other better adventure movies came along in the wake of STAR WARS, and have been to their generations what STAR WARS was to its own. STAR WARS rehashes made now only seem like sad imitations of their rivals, or pathetic attempts to recreate the past through an overindulgence in the nostalgia of which Jariten accuses prequel bashersf. I still reply that I hated TPM because THE MATRIX was way better, fresher, more interesting. TPM looked like the latest Bond movie trying to compete with THE BOURNE IDENTITY or even XXX. To continue with sad sad analogies, TPM had more in common with WING COMMANDER (yes, I said it) than it had with STAR WARS: it had all the effects and the patchwork plot, but zero charm and about minus three points in freshness. And yes, Jariten (all the clever arguments that I feel the need to rebuke come from Jariten by the way), borrowing elements from older films can still be considered "fresh," if you have a talent for pastiche. Lucas when he made STAR WARS and EMPIRE and even JEDI, which I don't like, had a talent for pastiche. Now if I want to see amazing pastiche work I will watch RESERVOIR DOGS, PULP FICTION or most of KILL BILL VOLUME ONE.

Un-bunch your panties about the "genius" thing. I post more typos per post than all other marginally-literate posters here. There may be typos in this very post, and I won't even bother to double check. Of course, you misspelled it twice, meaning it wasn't a typo, and it's the kind of word that it's funny to misspell. So yeah, I was making fun of you, but not in a personal way. I sure didn't say you were stupid for misspelling "genius," or mean to imply it. If that's what it said to you, then I really do apologize. I had meant to imply one of these tongue.gif

I say Lucas is not a genius because he first credited his ideas as being pasted together from serials and old sci-fi books, and talked about noncontinuous sequels covering numerous topics, characters, adventure plots and styles. He said ALL of this when the films first came out, and you could see at least half of it was true, because he did paste together his idea from various other sources. That much can be verified without effort. Lucas later rescinded the statements, denied and ignored his sources, dropped all references to science fiction or fantasy, claiming that his true original sources had been Greek and Roman mythology and the writing of Campbell. This pretentions coverup is terrible, not only because it doesn't ring true, but also because it makes him look less creative, not more. I sure wish he were genius enough to see that. It's not all that subtle. A clever send-up of ideas from earlier writers is far more interesting than an attempt to create a generic story using the elements common to Greek Comedy. The truth was more interesting than the lie. PULP FICTION is better when you realize it's just a long string of quotes; had Tarantino said he'd never borrowed from anything, but that his film came entirely from his own head, then it would be LESS interesting. Lucas is a great producer, and a bad writer. A good leader, a bad soldier. Etc. To drop the analogy, he's just not that good at finishing the stories he starts, because he had no idea where he was going in the first place.
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 08:23 AM

QUOTE (Little Nippatiz @ Mar 24 2006, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
9) No central villain. It's difficult to consider the emperor this since he doesn't reveal himself until the last half of ep3. Why was Darth Maul ( probably the only evil bright spot in the prequels) killed off during the first film? And he was the one most loyal to the Palps. And then why was it nessecery to bring in a rouges gallery of villains that are meaningless when the focus on one quality villain would of made more of an impact in the final be trail.


I know I’m probably alone on this - but I really liked Darth Maul. First of all, it was nice to see a new alien that wasn’t CGI and didn’t have a stupid accent. And he gave us the only entertaining part of TPM, of course, the last fight scene which I think we can all agree was the least horrible part of the movie.

At first I thought GL was going to keep him around - sure he only has a few lines in this movie, but maybe his character will be built up over the next movie or so, cause he seemed like he may have been an interesting guy. And just when I was starting to hope TPM and possibly the PT in general was going to seize the opportunity to redeem itself… GL killed off the only character in the PT who was even remotely mysterious and potentially interesting.

If I ever see George Lucas, I swear I’m gonna punch him right in the mouth.
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 12:21 PM

Yah becaue he did something worthy of violence, like, umm.... making movies that you dont like? GREAT reason. are you one of the lunatics complaining about him raping your childhood. here's a tip, go get a life.
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 10:44 PM

This is probably the best explanation I've seen about what Lucas was trying to do with the prequels:

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Anakins story arc or whatever you want to call it is plotted out fairly simply across the three films (as you might expect from SW).

Anakin is taken away from his mother in 1, and is unable to forget about her.

She dies in 2, which leads him to blame himself for not being powerful enough (he blames Obi too, but thats still an excuse for why he wasnt able to save her) to stop it. At the same time he falls in love, forming another strong attachment which pretty much sends him back to square one again

That girls life is threatened in 3, and terrified of losing her like he lost Shmi, he puts his lot in with Sid in order to get the power he wished he had wh
en his mother was alive.

Thats what Lucas wanted to show us. Thats what he thought was important, thats what he thought Anakins story was. You can disagree of course and say you hated it, but I personally can't see how Lucas' story arc for the character was incomplete.


OK, here are my problems with this:

1. The whole concept is just wrong. The prequels should be about the universe and how the republic, which Obi Wan said was so wonderful, collapsed and why the jedi weren't able to save it but were cool anyway. It shouldn't focus on Anakin. The story here is too slight to support three movies, which Lucas himself had said. The OT was NOT all about Luke and his relationship with Vader until half way through ESB, so this theme only had to be carried by one and a half movies, and part of the problems with ROTJ may have been how it made the other characters irrelevant.

Still, the Anakin story was the one Lucas wanted to tell, so its unfair to criticize him for not telling a different, more interesting story.

2. Anakin's story would be more interesting if we cared about the character. Lucas never gives any reason I can see to care about Anakin. He starts trying to do this in ROTS, when it is much too late.

3. Anakin's reasons for turning towards the Dark Side would make much more sense if Padme was actually in danger of dying, and if the audience believed that the turn towards the Dark Side actually was her best chance of survival.

4. It might have been a good idea to come up with a plausible reason why Anakin had to be separated from his mother, and have a character explain it.

5. Lucas still has to handle the political stuff on why the Republic fell, and what he comes up with is that well, they had no army. Must try harder.

6. Actors seem to give better performances when they have something to interact with during the filming.

7. Nothing in Anakin's story trajectory makes introducing the character of Jar Jar Binks necessary.


Getting back on subject, the reason why there is so much hatred of the prequels is envy. Just pure envy of the ability to make these brilliant movies.
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Posted 26 March 2006 - 03:03 AM

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Getting back on subject, the reason why there is so much hatred of the prequels is envy. Just pure envy of the ability to make these brilliant movies.


laugh.gif You are joking, right? Not even Rotten Tomatoes critics could call TPM brilliant.

I'd say my hatred is envy of POSSIBILITY to make Star Wars films at all. I am sure there are fans of OT with writing skills much exceeding those of Lucas - there could have been dozens of good scripts to choose from. And there would be fans who have are in film industry who would make these films FOR FREE, if only they had the means Lucas amassed.

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Posted 26 March 2006 - 06:08 AM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Mar 25 2006, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't say, as you conclude, that the prequel TRILOGY sucked because of the one I saw. I believe with a strong religious fervour that episodes 2 and 3 are better than THE PHANTOM MENACE, only because they would fucking have to be. The consensus.........


So, since everybody tells you the latter two PT films were only 'marginally' better, that's a good reason to dismiss the whole PT as a load of crap? For crying out loud, make your own damned opinion. I'm not trying to belittle anyone here, so don't take it that way. I mean nothing personal, but as a society, we have to take into account our own viewpoints. Stop depending on everyone else's opinions. This is exactly what I'm talking about when I use the word 'autonomous'. "So and so said this movie sucked, so I'll just take their word for it"...it's like someone telling you to wipe your butt before you poop because it sucks if you do it the other way around. Since you are a fan of the Matrix... Morpheus was quite correct when he spoke of life being a series of choices. That's exactly what life is: A series of choices/decisions... so why are you depending on other people to make those decisions for you? It's apparent to me that you have a fully functioning brain, so please don't let it go to waste because of what someone else tells you.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Mar 25 2006, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyway, to repeat, I found that the one episode of the prequel trilogy that I saw sucked. It made me not want to see the others........


You didn't say the entire PT sucked because of the one movie you saw... but are you not implying it sucks by saying that it made you not want to see the others? In other words, you're automatically dismissing the entire PT as a complete waste of time based on the opinions of yourself and others. If I could only conform with others in my search for non-conformity, then I would be able to see things as clearly as you do. I'm not insulting you, I'm just trying to help you see the contradiction, herein. You seem to be stuck in an indecisive loop in which you're looking for the answer, but you can not and will not find it until you make a decision on your own accord. "I can only show you the door; you must walk through it."

The analogy to neapolitan ice cream was not only for your benefit, but for the benefit of others, as well. I don't want to be the envy of anybody. All I'm attempting to do is break down the contradictory barrier that stands in almost everybody's way from establishing freedom in the purest sense of the word. The Matrix was way better, fresher, more interesting, etc... but the Matrix wouldn't have been good without proper inspiration. I recommend that you watch the anime Lain: Serial Experiments.

Where I believe Lucas made a mistake was in the way he presented the Star Wars films: Out of chronological order. If Lucas would have made Episode I first, things may be different today than the way they are. I'm not telling you to go out and watch the latter part of the PT. You make that choice for yourself. This is my opinion, however, and is not meant to express the views of either bashers or gushers: The Bourne Identity was good, but the sequel was boring. Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill Vol. 1 were excellent, and I view Tarantino as a genius as well. Sean Connery is the one and only James Bond because he's the best. Wing Commander sucked. So did XXX.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Mar 25 2006, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Un-bunch your panties about the "genius" thing. I post more typos per post than all other marginally-literate posters here. There may be typos in this very post, and I won't even bother to double check. Of course, you misspelled it twice, meaning it wasn't a typo, and it's the kind of word that it's funny to misspell. So yeah, I was making fun of you, but not in a personal way. I sure didn't say you were stupid for misspelling "genius," or mean to imply it. If that's what it said to you, then I really do apologize. I had meant to imply one of these tongue.gif


Apology accepted.

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Mar 25 2006, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I say Lucas is not a genius because he first credited his ideas as being pasted together from serials and old sci-fi books, and talked about noncontinuous sequels..............


Lucas is a film director. Everyone in the entertainment industry HAS to evolve. If they don't re-invent themselves, they become stagnant and it usually leads to the death of their career. If Lucas decides to change his mind, so be it... he's still making movies.

I agree with the statement Casual Fan made: It is a matter of envy. Lucas made these movies, not us. We need to deal with that. I don't think it's entirely improbable there might be a few people on these forums that could make a better film... so where are these films? I'd like to see them. You can't use the argument that Lucas has far superior technology at his disposal... remember when he made the OT? He didn't have computers back then, so if you place the OT on a pedestal, then why is it so hard for any of us to do something impressive without the advancements in technology today? It reminds me of a question... "Why oppose war only when there's a war being fought?"

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