[J m HofMarN]

Sifo Dias
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
General Greivous
Palpatine
the Jedi archives
the clones
the insemination of Shmi

Somehow all of this was supposed to be cleared up in ROTS, and yet none of it was ever interconnected. How did Jango Fett have dealings with Sifo Dias? Who was Sifo Dias? The origins of the bad guys were all not only left un-clear, but they were completely unrelated. They weren't recruited, they didn't come to Palpatine as a result of events, they just popped up. Or, in the case of Sifo Dias, were used as clues and excuses and then never even mentioned again. Both Dooku's speech ot Obi Wan in AOTC and Palps opera speech to Anakin in ROTS could have been used to flesh out the histpory and relations of the characters that didn't get any screen time, but this opportunity was ignored entirely.

[Jejef Thgaron]

Sifo Dias
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
General Greivous
Palpatine
the Jedi archives
the clones
the insemination of Shmi

Somehow all of this was supposed to be cleared up in ROTS, and yet none of it was ever interconnected. How did Jango Fett have dealings with Sifo Dias? Who was Sifo Dias? The origins of the bad guys were all not only left un-clear, but they were completely unrelated. They weren't recruited, they didn't come to Palpatine as a result of events, they just popped up. Or, in the case of Sifo Dias, were used as clues and excuses and then never even mentioned again. Both Dooku's speech ot Obi Wan in AOTC and Palps opera speech to Anakin in ROTS could have been used to flesh out the histpory and relations of the characters that didn't get any screen time, but this opportunity was ignored entirely.

Dooku left the Jedi Order because he was tired of the bureaucratic ways of the Council members. He went back to his home on Serrenno and was given the "Count" title. Palpatine had approached him and made a deal with him, which included amnesty for his actions against the corrupt Republic. Dooku destroyed all mentions of Kamino in the Jedi Archives (Watch AOTC for the Jedi Archive scene. You will see a bust of Dooku sitting behind Jocasta Nu and Obi-Wan as Obi-Wan asks, "Who could have done this."). He then went to Kamino to cover Sifo Dyas' tracks. Sifo Dyas ordered the Clone Army to be built, but to ensure Palpatine's grasp on this new army, Sifo Dyas had to be murdered in secrecy.

In comes Jango Fett. Dooku (Lord Tyranus) hires Jango Fett to kill Sifo Dyas on Kamino before he could make it back to Coruscant. Jango Fett is used as the donor body for the Clones to be created.

On to Palpatine and Darth Plagueis the Wise. Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice. In the opera scene, Palpatine tells the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise. He tells Anakin that Plagueis couldn't keep himself from dying because his apprentice kills him in his sleep. This is followed by a not-so-subtle smirk on Palpatine's face (hint, hint).

General Grievous was Kaleesh, from the planet Kalee (the same planet that manufactured the IG series droids). He wasn't a skeleton robot like most people think he is, he is a cyborg. He's half alien, half droid. He was nearly killed when his shuttle crashed. The Techno Union took Grievous' body and fused it with robotic parts by order of Palpatine. Dooku trained Grievous in the Jedi arts and he was put in charge of the droid army. He almost died at the hands of Mace Windu, who used a crushing Force grasp on the General's larynx. That is why he coughs. He considers it a sport to "hunt" Jedi. He keeps their lightsabers as "hunting trophies".

I'm still unsure about Shmi's sudden pregnancy with Anakin. Palpatine may have created him, but I doubt it. Plagueis may have created him, or he could have just been born through the Force. I'm not sure which one is accurate. Palpatine does talk about the whole 'manipulation of the midi chlorians to create life' thing, but it could be a complete lie to try to trick Anakin into joining the dark side.

[diligent_d]

Which begs the question: why couldn't have Anakin have been concieved...you know...the normal way?

[CowboyCurtis]

Because Lucas didn't want to write pre-prequels. It's bad enough he was 'obligated' to do the PT.

[Azrael23]

Because Lucas didn't want to write pre-prequels. It's bad enough he was 'obligated' to do the PT.

Yeah, it pretty much shows, since everything just looks thrown together.

[barend]

Sifo Dias
AKA darth Plagus

Darth Plagueis
AKA Sifo Dias

Count Dooku
underdeveloped bad guy

General Greivous
Completeley non-developed bad guy.

Palpatine
sat down had a chat, "Oh BTW My master is dead and i made you" with anikan

the Jedi archives
?????????

the clones
made by boba fetts dad for some reason... paid for by Sifoplagus, stolen by palpatine, then by obiwan and given to palpatine to fight the droids owned by dooku who's working for Palpatine.

the insemination of Shmi
if we missed the insemination of padme....

[Jejef Thgaron]

Sifo Dias
AKA darth Plagus

Wrong. Sifo Dyas was a high member of the Jedi Council and a former friend of Dooku's. He was duped into creating the Clone Army by Palpatine.

Count Dooku
underdeveloped bad guy

Underdeveloped in the films.

General Greivous
Completeley non-developed bad guy.

At least non-developed in the films.

Palpatine
sat down had a chat, "Oh BTW My master is dead and i made you" with anikan

Palpatine didn't make Anakin. Besides, he's a liar. Either Plagueis or the Force created him.

the Jedi archives
?????????

Dooku erased every mention of Kamino in the Jedi archives.

the clones
made by boba fetts dad for some reason... paid for by Sifoplagus, stolen by palpatine, then by obiwan and given to palpatine to fight the droids owned by dooku who's working for Palpatine.

I won't even attempt to untangle this mess for you.

the insemination of Shmi
if we missed the insemination of padme....

It's logical to assume the same of the insemination of Shmi. SW is a family film, not a gang-bang.

[barend]

Wrong. Sifo Dyas was a high member of the Jedi Council and a former friend of Dooku's. He was duped into creating the Clone Army by Palpatine.

WRONG?!? Really? Says who?

Underdeveloped in the films.

yes, exactly... that's what i just said. if not developed there, what's the point. we're discussing the films. THE FILMS. THE MOVIES!!!! UNDERSTAND?!?

if he's characters background is written on the wall of some toilet in a slezy whore house in New MExico i don't give a flying FUCK!

the muthafucker got no background in the trillogy. who is he? we don't know...
some geek: "If you purchase the chronicals of...

SHUT UP!!!!

MOVIE!!!!=STORY ON FILM!!!

if you can't understand that you never will...
don't EVER bring up that lame dispelled crap again!!!

At least non-developed in the films.

HEY!!! WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!?



but seriously: 'At least non-developed in the films.'

then nowhere. OKAY! it's only the films that count... if they can't stand up on their own without a bunch of books, some comics, a cartoon series, and some cave men etchings, then this trilogy is NOT COMPLETE!!!!

simple as that.

"I'm sorry you fell in love with a work that was incomplete"
-George 'apparently a repeat offender' Lucas

Palpatine didn't make Anakin. Besides, he's a liar. Either Plagueis or the Force created him.

and so is Lucas, but you don't hear me not complaining!

so... Palpatine couldn't have made him? It had to be either the guy who 'taught him everything he knew' or a random unexplained phenomina that happened for no reason...

but definatley without question, NOT the guy who insinuated he was... WHY do you feel so strongly against this idea?

Dooku erased every mention of Kamino in the Jedi archives.

Ah.... but did he use the force or spyware, that's the real question.

but to despondents defence... what makes you so sure it was dooku? maybe it was palpatine... he was closer after all. I mean whoever did it had to get in there without being noticed.

again i like your logic.

Had do have been the guy that couldn't tempt obiwan, and that Yoda 'sensed the dark side in'
NOT the guy who clouded everone's judgment and couldn't be dedected for what he was by the entire counsel of whome he was in close personl contact with on more than one occasion.

I won't even attempt to untangle this mess for you.

thank you, you shouldn't have to... afterall niether of us made it, so why should either of us have to clean it up.

It's logical to assume the same of the insemination of Shmi. SW is a family film, not a gang-bang.

that was sort of my point....

[Revan-47]

Dooku left the Jedi Order because he was tired of the bureaucratic ways of the Council members. He went back to his home on Serrenno and was given the "Count" title. Palpatine had approached him and made a deal with him, which included amnesty for his actions against the corrupt Republic. Dooku destroyed all mentions of Kamino in the Jedi Archives (Watch AOTC for the Jedi Archive scene. You will see a bust of Dooku sitting behind Jocasta Nu and Obi-Wan as Obi-Wan asks, "Who could have done this."). He then went to Kamino to cover Sifo Dyas' tracks. Sifo Dyas ordered the Clone Army to be built, but to ensure Palpatine's grasp on this new army, Sifo Dyas had to be murdered in secrecy.

In comes Jango Fett. Dooku (Lord Tyranus) hires Jango Fett to kill Sifo Dyas on Kamino before he could make it back to Coruscant. Jango Fett is used as the donor body for the Clones to be created.

On to Palpatine and Darth Plagueis the Wise. Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice. In the opera scene, Palpatine tells the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise. He tells Anakin that Plagueis couldn't keep himself from dying because his apprentice kills him in his sleep. This is followed by a not-so-subtle smirk on Palpatine's face (hint, hint).

General Grievous was Kaleesh, from the planet Kalee (the same planet that manufactured the IG series droids). He wasn't a skeleton robot like most people think he is, he is a cyborg. He's half alien, half droid. He was nearly killed when his shuttle crashed. The Techno Union took Grievous' body and fused it with robotic parts by order of Palpatine. Dooku trained Grievous in the Jedi arts and he was put in charge of the droid army. He almost died at the hands of Mace Windu, who used a crushing Force grasp on the General's larynx. That is why he coughs. He considers it a sport to "hunt" Jedi. He keeps their lightsabers as "hunting trophies".

I'm still unsure about Shmi's sudden pregnancy with Anakin. Palpatine may have created him, but I doubt it. Plagueis may have created him, or he could have just been born through the Force. I'm not sure which one is accurate. Palpatine does talk about the whole 'manipulation of the midi chlorians to create life' thing, but it could be a complete lie to try to trick Anakin into joining the dark side.

Most of the things u mentioned that matters(clones,dooku,sifo dyias,etc.) were all actually solved on film.

[Jejef Thgaron]

Most of the things u mentioned that matters(clones,dooku,sifo dyias,etc.) were all actually solved on film.

Yes, most of them are. However, I must make a correction:

I was wrong about Jango Fett killing Sifo Dyas, though. Dooku killed him by order of Sidious... in his sleep! He kept his body cryogenically frozen in order to give General Grievous a blood transfusion. He also gave Grievous Sifo Dyas' lightsaber. The Jedi Archives were only accessible by a Jedi Master. The only person who could have erased the mention of Kamino would have to be a Jedi Master. There is a subtle hint in AOTC of Dooku's bust sitting behind Obi-Wan and Jocasta Nu on a pedestal. Sifo Dyas was a Jedi Master. Period. He was duped into creating the Clone Army by Palpatine.

This information is not from the movies, or the novels, or the video games, or the cartoon. It is straight from the data bank on Starwars.com.

Dooku, Sifo Dyas and Grievous were not main characters, which is why their background information is not important. They are part of the story, but they are not intended to stand out and be the focus of the PT. Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme were the main three elements of the PT, which is why they all have important roles.

[Revan-47]

People mistake the subtlety of the prequels for them not having story or information to back things up. u give me any problem with any of this and im 100% positive i can find where in the movies they explained it, and if i cant, then its either assumed, or not nessecary.

This post has been edited by Revan-47: 15 March 2006 - 05:43 PM

[barend]

Dooku, Sifo Dyas and Grievous were not main characters, which is why their background information is not important. They are part of the story, but they are not intended to stand out and be the focus of the PT. Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme were the main three elements of the PT, which is why they all have important roles.

a count who fought yoda, and a robot with four arms that killed jedi were not meant to stand out?

[Jejef Thgaron]

People mistake the subtlety of the prequels for them not having story or information to back things up. u give me any problem with any of this and im 100% positive i can find where in the movies they explained it, and if i cant, then its either assumed, or not nessecary.

Oh, the story's there, you just have to watch the films. I agree entirely.

[Jejef Thgaron]

a count who fought yoda, and a robot with four arms that killed jedi were not meant to stand out?

No. They were background characters. Supporting actors. They were never meant to stand out. Their background info was not necessary. This happens in every movie. Lucas is just a lot more subtle about character backgrounds than other directors.

Take Quentin Tarantino, for example: Makes a movie called Kill Bill Vol. 1. It involved a lot of backtracking, sidetracking, forwardtracking, etc. By the end of the movie, Uma Thurman's character is still called 'censored'. In Vol. 2, Tarantino goes pretty far in depth on Uma Thurman's character. We don't see a lot of Bill's background, unless it's through assumption. We don't see anything on the background of the whole Deadly Viper Squad, except for an anime part for O'Ren Ishii's background, a live action part to show how she took over the Yakuza Clan, and a very short segment about Daryl Hannah's character... namely the part where she poisoned Pai Mei.

Point is, both Kill Bill Volumes kicked serious ass. They were subtle in parts, but overall, it was a lot of backstory on 'The Bride' character. None of the other characters really had the important parts of their backgrounds revealed because they weren't important to the flow of the story. Neither is Count Dooku or Grievous' backgrounds.

[Azrael23]

WRONG?!? Really? Says who?
yes, exactly... that's what i just said. if not developed there, what's the point. we're discussing the films. THE FILMS. THE MOVIES!!!! UNDERSTAND?!?

if he's characters background is written on the wall of some toilet in a slezy whore house in New MExico i don't give a flying FUCK!

the muthafucker got no background in the trillogy. who is he? we don't know...
some geek: "If you purchase the chronicals of...

SHUT UP!!!!

MOVIE!!!!=STORY ON FILM!!!

if you can't understand that you never will...
don't EVER bring up that lame dispelled crap again!!!