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Posted 07 March 2006 - 12:14 AM

Of course the PT has ruined Vader for me. Maybe not SW (sigh, ANH) Vader, but certainly the magnificent ESB entrance. Does anyone else feel this way?

I ask this, because on the tv show, 24, they just showed a black blinking bomb. Yes, with maybe a little fog vapor too. It was armed and blinking and threatening (with that trademark 24 cut-to-commercial effect), so much more than Vader did in the PT. That's all. smile.gif

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 08:25 AM

I fell that way, sorta...
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 12:57 PM

Not really, because I simply cannot connect the character we see in the PT with the character we see in the OT in any way whatsoever. There's just no way I can make the mental leap required in order to accept that the Anakin Skywalker of TPM, AotC and RotS is the same guy we see in ESB. He's an imposter, some whiny, obnoxious twat pretending to be the Anakin Skywalker who later became Darth Vader. Come to that, I feel much the same way about everything and everyone else in the PT.
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Mar 7 2006, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not really, because I simply cannot connect the character we see in the PT with the character we see in the OT in any way whatsoever. There's just no way I can make the mental leap required in order to accept that the Anakin Skywalker of TPM, AotC and RotS is the same guy we see in ESB. He's an imposter, some whiny, obnoxious twat pretending to be the Anakin Skywalker who later became Darth Vader. Come to that, I feel much the same way about everything and everyone else in the PT.



I'm on the same page. They are two different characters completely.
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 01:46 PM

Well that's positive.

My reaction came from Watching ESB on the heels of ROTS. (The Original VHS version at that) And honestly, I can't watch ESB anymore in one sitting. I watch some, (Even the DVD) and stop it and never come back to it. OK, last summer I kinda crashed before it ended.

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 02:02 PM

Yeah, I can't connect anything about Haydikin with Vader in the O-OT. It was ruined for me at first, but now I treat the PT as some badly written, but slickly done fan film.

I'm okay, but I'll probably not watch any Star Wars film again for a long, long time.
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 01:53 PM

I've put the PT in the same sinking boat as 'Batman' 3 & 4, 'Superman' 3 & 4, Alein' 3 & 4, ---They didn't happen and I'll always have the first two installments of each to relive over and over.

Unfortunately, for us OT fans, George has F'd them up so much with his tampering unless you have the older tape and Laser releases to still view.

Gawd! I hate that he still pisses me off because of this.!
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 09:28 PM

alien 3 was a disaster, but you may feel differently if you watch the directors cut... it's almost an entirley different film.
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Posted 03 April 2006 - 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Mar 6 2006, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course the PT has ruined Vader for me. Maybe not SW (sigh, ANH) Vader, but certainly the magnificent ESB entrance. Does anyone else feel this way?

I ask this, because on the tv show, 24, they just showed a black blinking bomb. Yes, with maybe a little fog vapor too. It was armed and blinking and threatening (with that trademark 24 cut-to-commercial effect), so much more than Vader did in the PT. That's all. smile.gif


Vader will always be a real baddass for me. Dispite SW3.
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:23 PM

Darth Vader will always be the three-dimensional, complex villain who went from evil to coming to regain his humanity through love for his son.

The PT is a high-school play.
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:10 PM

I don't know - I've seen some pretty good high school plays.
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:58 PM

I agree with all the comments about. The handling of Vader is why I mentally exclude the prequels from the "Star Wars" universe, even though both the PQ and the OT are Lucas' vision.

There is really just no way that the Darth Vader we see in the original trilogy has anything in common with the character of Anakin Skywalker in the original trilogies. Actually, I can swallow the Jake Lloyd character growing up to be Vader, but definitely not the one Hayden Christopher portrayed. I think the main problem is that Anakin Skywalker, as presented in AOTC and ROTS, carries no air of authority and isn't terribly bright. Darth Vader in the OT had the wonderful movie villian qualities of being menacing, ruthless, and obviously intelligent. Perhaps in one of the EU novels it will be revealed that Palpatine implemented a chip in Anakin's brain during the surgery, that raised his IQ by fifty points.

In fact, given that we don't know for sure that Vader is human until the end of the OT, just about any male character in the prequels is more plausible as Vader than Hayden Christiansen's character. This includes Obi-Wan and Wattoo. In fact, ROTS would have been much improved if Lucas had revealed that in fact it was the prequel version of Obi Wan that wound of as Vader.

Since Lucas wrote the prequels on the concept of Anakin Skywalker becoming Vader, sacrificing a coherent explanation for the origins of Palpatine and the fall of the Republic in the process, this is really the main failure of these three movies. Its also the single biggest inconsistency with the OT. After all, its basically Anakin/ Vader that links the three movies.

The prequels are definitely Lucas' vision, but I find it easiest to think of them as a completely separate series of scifi/ fantasy from the OT, with very different themes, that happens to use characters with the same names as some of the OT characters. Its not that Lucas made much of an effort to link the two series together in other ways.
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:47 PM

Remember all those "NOooo" bits? "This is C-N-Noooooo" and all the others? That haunting soundtrack and the seriousness of it all?

Now immediately pick up ESB and watch his entrance, with all its pomp and majesty. It really is kind of amusing (snicker).
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 12:54 AM

you're right. vader and anakin are 2 completely different characters.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 01:05 AM

QUOTE (SithAvenger @ Apr 11 2006, 12:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you're right. vader and anakin are 2 completely different characters.


Yes they are. Wasn't that something that was established early on in the saga though?
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