[blueoceans]

http://en.wikipedia....ki/White_rapper

Do some research before you start running your mouth.

wasnt really sure if you were referring to me or not. but in case you were, heres what i found on the wiki...



The Beastie Boys are a hip hop group from the New York Cityboroughs of Brooklyn and Manhattan. They were the first white rap group of any importance and one of the few acts from the early days of hip hop that still enjoy major success today. Their rock and punk-influenced rap has had a significant impact.....

I like how, even wiki, inidcates they have a ROCK and PUNK influenced rap, i found those to be key in my research.

[Heccubus]

I guess it depends on how you define "success" as a musician. Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Cage, MC Frontalot, Sage Francis, Kottonmouth Kings... All artists with huge underground followings, and all white. Success is measured by more than just money. These are artists who have respect in the hip hop community, which means more to most rappers than any dollar figure. Aesop and Cage in particular are very well-respected among their peers.

[MyPantsAreOnFire]

I like how, even wiki, inidcates they have a ROCK and PUNK influenced rap, i found those to be key in my research.

The overwhelming majority of rap acts in the 80's had huge "rock" influences. Public Enemy, Run-DMC ("Walk This Way," anyone?), LL Cool J, etc.. Listen to the samples...yes, the Beasties were more overt with it with some of their songs and their own backgrounds playing in punk bands, but they got their success and respect from the fans and the rap community for proving they were true to hip-hop above all else.

not that theres anything wrong with Fred Durst or Limp Bizkit

The hell there isn't.

[Jordan]

Rap would be nowhere without Jazz, Rock, Techno, and Dance.

Modern rap is so far removed from the late 80s early 90s that I would hesitate to put it in the same shelf at a CD shop. It's more like Dance. RnB and Rap or so interconnected now that their beats and tempo and all that are identical.

RnB lend their voice talents to rappers and rappers lend their rhymes to RnB artists.

I put it on Puff Daddy for irrevocably destroying rap. Sampling was always around but Groups like Wutang sampled obscure shit and old funk jams. They didn't take popular 80s songs and pifler them for all their worth.

The latest RnB/rap song to knock off a huge track was by that chick. She used Soft Cell's TAINTED LOVE. I mean that song was huge and still is played in clubs. Taking a famous song like that and recycling it is fucking lazy and I hate it.

So if you want production that samples wisely and also creates it's own sound, you got to stick with underground. Dr.DRE is always coming up with quality stuff but the lyric content on his songs fry my nervous system after a few hours.

Watching the Up In Smoke Tour on DVD is embarrising when you see girls in the audience sing along too "I want to fuck your pussy you ho".

[mireaux7]

Rap would be nowhere without Jazz, Rock, Techno, and Dance.

Modern rap is so far removed from the late 80s early 90s that I would hesitate to put it in the same shelf at a CD shop. It's more like Dance. RnB and Rap or so interconnected now that their beats and tempo and all that are identical.

I put it on Puff Daddy for irrevocably destroying rap. Sampling was always around but Groups like Wutang sampled obscure shit and old funk jams. They didn't take popular 80s songs and pifler them for all their worth.

Rap music today is too over-produced. Too many audio layers in the mixing process. As far as sampling goes, the one that always irks me is how the group called "The Smiths" for one of their songs they sampled the unmistakeable beat from Soho's "Hippy Chick". In fact, I think the Butthole Surfers also used that same beat in their song "Pepper"

[Jordan]

Fucking rights, mireaux.

The shit they put on albums is impossible to play live. Eminem, 50cent, all of those guys need vocal back up.

Fucking 50 can't even finish his album verses without help. Every 5th word he stops and lets one of his homeboys say it. You can tell that his voice is about to peter off just as a back up takes over. SAD~

He's terrible and has no talent. These fucking guys got 6packs, bullet holes and a producer who makes them what they are. Take any old scary looking black guy off the street and replace him with 50 and the album will still sell, cause people get it for the production, something 50 and his contemporaries can't touch.

One of the only big time rappers that rocks is REDMAN. He produces his own shit, in his basement, and has fun beats with a dark edgy feel. His rhymes are not great but his voice is the bomb.

But ya, modern rap is dunzo. It's nothing more than dance.

[Sailor Abbey]

It's nothing more than dance.

Only crappier.

[mireaux7]

Only crappier.

whats with all these rappers greatly emphasizing the use of their ebonics in their album? sure, you may challenge and say its been there all along, but it seems that in recent years its become much more prevalent. Chingy frequently uses "aurr" (instead of air), and other rappers say "thurr" (instead of there.) there is many more perverted versions of chopped vocabulary-these are but just a few chosen examples. But its like its become cool suddenly to say words the wrong way.

Fucking rights, mireaux.


Fucking 50 can't even finish his album verses without help. Every 5th word he stops and lets one of his homeboys say it. You can tell that his voice is about to peter off just as a back up takes over. SAD~

He's terrible and has no talent.

LMFAO!

I read somewhere that 50 cent is not even from "da hood" or "da ghetto", but actually he is from just some normal middle-class suburban neighborhood,.probably a lot like the ones most of us chef-elfers reside in. Thats funny,.thats a lot like how politics works today, take someone with no expertise and elect them into office based on the lies they sell to us about how they are going to fix up our communites and lower taxes, and then all they do is make things worse than they were prior.

[Heccubus]

My point still stands as far as production goes.
The UK grime/hip hop scene is built more around abrasive synths and minimalist beats than sampling. It really has a lot more in common with the garage/two-step scene than the North American hip hop scene. Listen to Lady Sovereign or the Streets and you get an idea of what I mean. Lady Sov's beats in particular are pretty simplistic, rather than taking the Aftermath route and drowning everything in blippy synths and sampled orchestras.
Like I said, for decent hip hop you have to scour the indies nowadays.