[Revan-47]

yes, improper use of a and an agreement makes my posts not worth takign seriously does it. and no, in your case im sure its not an internet forum, its your life. I dont find jar jar funny anymore, but i did, when i was a kid. thats all that matters. when i watched tpm i was mystified like i was when i had first seen the OT, just like im sure you were when it first came out. and that magic remained with me when i still watch the PT and the OT. these movies are meant to appeal to kids so they can grow old with these memories.

[Despondent]

No, it's not my life (do I post that much more than you do?), but it is like shooting fish in a barrel; pointing out the PT's deficiencies.

And yes, that's gotten old. And there's no more fish, little new ammo. Track the first days of this forum and you'll see like-minded folks, rapt in joyful exp​ression not found elsewhere. I can see why you feel the PT is being picked on, but wasn't that the framework?

[J m HofMarN]

The PT is full of subtlety. Why do they mention there never was a father? Why does R2-D2 have jets in his arms/legs? Why does he have any aftermarket modifications? Why is Anakin's starfighter faster than all the other Jedi starfighters? Why do most people not see Zam Wessel change into her reptilian form while she is still piloting her speeder? Why do they have secret plans to build the Death Star? (Ok, that one's not so subtle) Why does Jar Jar hand over supreme executive power to Palps? Why, why, why?

You're mistaking "confusing" for "subtle.

[CowboyCurtis]

Okay... I'm feeling better now.

There are so many people on these forums that can't see things when they are subtly hinted at. The PT is full of subtlety.

Like Hoffman says, you're mistaking confusion (and inconsistency) for subtlety.

Why do they mention there never was a father?

Because Lucas couldn't be bothered to write a back-back story to the prequels. He didn't want to be obligated to make pre-prequels. Instead, he had to concoct retarded midichlorians which are antithesis to the OT, and a silly virgin birth in order to avoid this bullet.

Why does R2-D2 have jets in his arms/legs? Why does he have any aftermarket modifications?

Because Lucas couldn't trust an established character to still be likeable to a modern audience. Instead he had to "pump him up" for commercial and "kewl factor" reasons disregarding established characteristics and the continuity of the original trilogy.

Why is Anakin's starfighter faster than all the other Jedi starfighters?

Because then Anakin wouldn't be teh kewl!

Where is it shown that Anakin's starfighter is any faster than anyone elses anyway? Er, why is this an issue?

Why do most people not see Zam Wessel change into her reptilian form while she is still piloting her speeder?

Who cares! What matters is that teh kewl powers doesn't do her a lick of good in getting away from the good guys. Who truly cares! The chameleon powers were added to showcase Lucas obsession with needless CGI masturbating.

Why do they have secret plans to build the Death Star? (Ok, that one's not so subtle)

Because, again, Lucas couldn't count on audiences "bridging the gap" between the two trilogies. He had to hammer this big nail write in front of our faces---"See! See! It's related to Star Wars! See! I put something in the prequels that connects the two--I'm so brilliant!"


Why does Jar Jar hand over supreme executive power to Palps? Why, why, why?

Because he's a moron character who should've never been in the PT's in the first place. I'm convinced that majority of the people on Naboo are morons since they elect 14 year old queens and mentally challenged amphibians into positions of power.

Watch the scene where they're wondering what to do with Padme being gone and Jar Jar standing nearby.

"Gosh, what shall we EVER do? Who WHO could possibly propose a policy to gain me power. Who (looks at Jar Jar) Just WHO could ever do that IN HER PLACE (waves hand at the oblivious Jar Jar). I just WONDER who that could be? (Snaps fingers) Jar Jar... Jar Jar.. do YOU know anyone who is in Amidala's place that could propose such a thing? Jar Jar? HEY, IDIOT! I'm talking about you."

Big of exaggeration, but it's so bad of a scene. There could've been a better way to pull this all off, especially with the absence of Jar Jar Moron.

No subtle. Not subtle at all.


This is what I got out of Palps' convo with Anakin: keep in mind this is after Maul was being trained to be his apprentice... Plagueis creates Anakin, fully knowing he was going to be killed. Palps kills Plagueis. Episode I happens. Shmi says there never was a father. The whole time, Palpy knows Anakin is the MC manipulated Chosen One. He begins to act as a father figure to Ani. He subtly guides Ani ever closer to the dark side, until finally... BOOM! Anakin almost dies and the only thing left of Ani is hatred and betrayal. Vader becomes Palpy's puppet. Is it any wonder why Vader ends up giving Palpy the shaft? The whole time, Palpatine lied to Anakin about Plagueis' apprentice learning how to control the midichlorians. He doesn't have a clue on how to do it.

First off, see my first point above. Secondly, all could've been avoided by Palpy/Plagueis "creating" Anakin to be close by and training him without any Jedi interference. It makes ZERO sense to me whatsoever that one would have the ability to create another lifeform through the power of the midichlorians and then not even KNOWING where it'll be when you do. And then when you create it--you don't even go looking for it? It's not subtle. It's stupid.

That being said, there is a lot of good reading material out there for those who just don't get it.

One of the gushers most overused playbook lines. Funny. You're just like all the rest.

This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 26 February 2006 - 10:17 AM

[Revan-47]

No, it's not my life (do I post that much more than you do?), but it is like shooting fish in a barrel; pointing out the PT's deficiencies.

And yes, that's gotten old. And there's no more fish, little new ammo. Track the first days of this forum and you'll see like-minded folks, rapt in joyful exp​ression not found elsewhere. I can see why you feel the PT is being picked on, but wasn't that the framework?

I Never mind when someone doesnt like a movie, but it pisses me off when they act like its a bad movie just because they dont like it. Many people here on the site dont like the prequels, thats why they are all here, they have something in common. But they havent been officially established as bad movies so dont act like its common knowledge to the world that STar WARs episodes 1-3 are shit.

[HK 47]

I Never mind when someone doesnt like a movie, but it pisses me off when they act like its a bad movie just because they dont like it. Many people here on the site dont like the prequels, thats why they are all here, they have something in common. But they havent been officially established as bad movies so dont act like its common knowledge to the world that STar WARs episodes 1-3 are shit.

"haven't been officially established as bad movies"?

What do you mean by officially? By famous critics and stuff? It has actually. The *only* reason the PT received any praise at all is because of the lingering love and devotion people feel for the OT. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of moviemaking can tell the PT is a horrible, horrible piece of cinema. Special FX and "kewlness" go a long way unfortunately...

[barend]

The PT is full of subtlety.

subtlety? ...the PT? maybe if you switched it to mute.

"I should be all powerful!"
"plagus was killed by his apprentice" *snigger snigger*
"i have a bad feeling about this... i have a bad feeling about this... i have a bad feeling about this..."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O O O O O OO O O O!!!1111!!"

travel through a planet core, lava surfing on a lava planet while fighting, worms deployed by robots programmed by a changeling hired by a bounty hunter/genetic engineer ordered by a count serving a senator in a world full of thermal detonators and droid ships...., a child crashing into a droid control ship, a robot with four arms and no back story suddenly dropped into the mix, a bumbling jerry Lewis wannabe with floppy ears, monsters from blizzard games, the directors daughter painted blue staring right at the camera, etc. etc. etc. et fucking c.

subtlety is not something George Lucas understands...

he came close with that balcony opera scene, but that's about it... and no one got it...
and beyond that the overabundance of patterns and coincidence is all to easily forgotten...

i mean, Anakin fighting dokuu in front of paly on a big seat with space behind... the hopeful unwilling apprentice-to-be fighting the dark lord servant... "use your anger or hate or whatever.... finish him."

i mean, how does one watch that and not think the 'i am your father' bit will crop up again in some manner?

i don't really care whether or not people get it... it's just a dumb film. it's the fact that people want to argue whatever i say...

if i had said plagius was the creator you'd all be fucking saying it was palps!!!

That being said, there is a lot of good reading material out there for those who just don't get it.

No there is isn't.

Timothy Zhan sat high on the cannon throne for a decade before Lucas withdrew his canonnage, and said 'naw, fuck it now it was this way...'

don't trust anything outside the films... everything that was lucas-okayed has been redundified and undermined by the prequels and in some cases the changes to the OT. And as I’ve said before, if your films require homework you have not done your job as a film maker...

the clone wars cartoon... what was that? 2-3 seasons of 'sorry we couldn't clear this up in the movies but we thought A KID IN A FUCKING GO CART RACE WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO THE STORY THAN THE CLONE WAR WE MENTIONED IN 1977!!!!'

THERE IS NO RELIABLE READING MATERIAL!!!

get it? got it? good!

[Revan-47]

ex: Gigli is an officiay bad movie, there is not much of an argument between people over that. but as ive said a million times a lot of people like the prequel trilogy, thats what makes it good movie making. if the movies were made horribly then they wouldnt be near as loved. Just because everybody here agrees they are bad doesnt mean they are bad.

[Zatoichi]

but it is like shooting fish in a barrel; pointing out the PT's deficiencies.

With a fucking tank!

[barend]

ex: Gigli is an officiay bad movie, there is not much of an argument between people over that. but as ive said a million times a lot of people like the prequel trilogy, thats what makes it good movie making. if the movies were made horribly then they wouldnt be near as loved. Just because everybody here agrees they are bad doesnt mean they are bad.

the movies WERE horribly made.

and just because every eight year old (mentally and physically) loves it doesn't make it good.

the general public's expectations are too low if the prequels in any way constitute good movies.
as long as there's a couple explosions and aliens its a good movie?

nice...

[Zatoichi]

as long as there's a couple explosions and aliens its a good movie?

Like Mars Attacks, only I enjoyed that because it was so corny.

[Azrael23]

And as I’ve said before, if your films require homework you have not done your job as a film maker...

the clone wars cartoon... what was that? 2-3 seasons of 'sorry we couldn't clear this up in the movies but we thought A KID IN A FUCKING GO CART RACE WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO THE STORY THAN THE CLONE WAR WE MENTIONED IN 1977!!!!'

THERE IS NO RELIABLE READING MATERIAL!!!

get it? got it? good!

So very true.

[Jejef Thgaron]

THis is why i believe that THe force created Anakin on its own. I just think in Episode 3 the whole midichlorian thing was added in to stress that palpatine supposedly knew how to stop death. I think the fact that it sounded like plagis or palps created him was a coincidence.

It is possible Anakin is merely a child born through the Force. I don't have anything to back up whether Plagueis or Palp created him. The only theories I can bring up are these: 1) It may be possible Palpy created him... but I have my doubts. 2) Plagueis may have created him, however, there is still the whole Darth Maul thing... maybe Zabraks age differently than humans... or maybe the creation of life was a slow process that Plagueis started before Maul was born and it just took years for the midichlorians to do their magic, even after Plagueis was killed. 3) (My favorite theory) Palpatine is a lying bastard and he threw that tidbit of info in like an over-zealous car dealer. I think GL left it open for novel writers to figure it out. Another theory I just thought up... What if Qui-Gon wasn't the first to discover immortality? What if Plagueis became a Jedi, learned how to cheat death like Qui-Gon did, got killed by Palpy because of his betrayal (or penis envy), and created Anakin in the afterlife to avenge his death... Now there's some straight up X-Files shiznit. I think the writers need to stop making knuckle babies and get to work on an explanation before a riot ensues.

[HK 47]

Expect an Episode I Special Ed scene where a disguised Sidious sneaks into Shmis bedchamber...

Honestly, Lucas throwing that "Plagueis creating life" crap at us just sucks. Why? Because it does absolutely nothing for the plot, it's never mentioned again and it just confuses the hell out of the audience. Creating good mysteries does not involve fertilizing your movie with red herrings.

[Azrael23]

The only theories I can bring up are these: 1) It may be possible Palpy created him... but I have my doubts. 2) Plagueis may have created him, however, there is still the whole Darth Maul thing... maybe Zabraks age differently than humans... or maybe the creation of life was a slow process that Plagueis started before Maul was born and it just took years for the midichlorians to do their magic, even after Plagueis was killed. 3) (My favorite theory) Palpatine is a lying bastard and he threw that tidbit of info in like an over-zealous car dealer. I think GL left it open for novel writers to figure it out. Another theory I just thought up... What if Qui-Gon wasn't the first to discover immortality? What if Plagueis became a Jedi, learned how to cheat death like Qui-Gon did, got killed by Palpy because of his betrayal (or penis envy), and created Anakin in the afterlife to avenge his death... Now there's some straight up X-Files shiznit. I think the writers need to stop making knuckle babies and get to work on an explanation before a riot ensues.

I agree. I highly doubt Plaguise or Palpatine actually had anything to do with Anakins conception.
And Zabraks probably doesn't age any differently than humans, so the most logical conclusion was that the Force created him.

There is also a huge flaw in Qui-Gon learning Jedi immortality. If he was the first I wonder why didn't he disappear like Obi-Wan and Yoda? He couldn't have possibly learned it AFTER his death
not to mention there are far more powerful Jedi than him that should have known how to do this.

Seriousely its like Lucas purposely painted himself in a corner, raising more questions than answering them. He doesn't even take his own stories seriousely and he just pulls things out of thin air.