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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:09 AM

I'm going to rant now and probably swear a few times. Allow me to apologize in advance in case I'm being to... ranty...


There was a Miracle Planet marathon on the Science Channel yesterday. It was really great. What wasn’t great were the thousands upon thousands of drug advertisements for zicam, cialis, Tylenol pm, and the like. All these commercials show a bunch of actors smiling and pretending to be in perfect health, while they recite a list of side effects including anything from kidney failure to blindness.

Why are people so afraid to die? Why do we have to pump our bodies full of synthetic chemicals while knowing full well they aren’t good for us. Cant sleep? Take some pills. Sure they’ll make you infertile. Small price to pay to get that extra hour of sleep. OR you could stop drinking so much goddamn caffeine before you go to sleep. Ever think it might be that pot of coffee you had today?

No?

That’s because its easier to pawn your problems of on drugs and doctors who will treat your symptoms rather than to take some fucking responsibility for your own health.

Don’t want to get pregnant? Here take same birth control. Sure its gonna make you fat, depressed, and decrease your chances of ever creating life. But at least you’ll be able to let everybody you have sex with cum inside you without any repercussions.

Except stds of course.

But hey! No problem. We’ve got a shitload of drugs to treat those now to, so go ahead and suck as much dick as you want!

As a matter of fact, theres no reason why you should ever have to take care of your body, because one day, when it starts falling apart, there will be drugs a plenty to help mask the symptoms.

And people wonder why everybody has cancer - why 11yr old girls have C cups, and why 90% of their kid’s class room has been diagnosed with ADD. People wonder why 80% of the planet is suddenly ‘bi-polar.’ Ever wonder if its all those toxins you put in your body from eating processed foods eating Motrin like its goin out of style?

Probably not. Because the American Medical Association and the drug companies dont want you to know!

So your 65 and you wont live past 67 if you don’t take heart medicine. Well, guess what. Too bad! I guess you shouldn’t have eaten bacon every morning for breakfast! Here have another doughnut! Slop some gravy on that while your at it, Einstein!

Not only is it bad enough that people gorge themselves on medication, but I have to pay for it. Why the hell should I have to be responsible for your stupidity?

'Oh well its not my fault - I was healthy - its genetic.'

Fine. Why the hell should I have to be responsible for your faulty genes.

You know, it wasn’t too many years ago, the only drugs around were crazy tonic and primitive forms of aspirin. If you had a headache, you went to town and bought some. If you were fat, you bought some tape worm eggs. It worked out fine. If you wanted to some medicine you paid for it with your own bleedin money.

At what point did your neighbor have to start paying for your tape worms?

Yes its heartless! Yes I’m uncompassionate! But I don’t think putting synthetic chemicals in your body is natural, healthy or moral. And I don’t think its even remotely fair for me to have to support somebody else’s habit.

Its like having to pay taxes that go toward dumping toxic waste into the oceans. Its refuckingdiculous!
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:37 AM

First of all: *applauds* I'm glad that I'm not guilty of even one of those things. Phe~w.

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But I don’t think putting synthetic chemicals in your body is natural, healthy or moral.

Synthetic chemicals, eh... not natural... hmm, do you suggest to use some herbs or something more natural then? And why shouldn't it by moral to take something which is supposed to make you feel better?

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Gobbler @ Feb 21 2006, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Synthetic chemicals, eh... not natural... hmm, do you suggest to use some herbs or something more natural then? And why shouldn't it by moral to take something which is supposed to make you feel better?


For one who follows a nature based religion, like me, it is immoral to defy natural processes such as healing and death. I know not everybody feels that way. That’s why I stuck my rant in the debate forum and not the complaining thread.

Just to clarify. Lets say there’s a root in the Amazon that produces a liquid that helps fight cancer. That’s good, by all means, use it. But what happens instead (for the purposes of mass production) the liquid is broken down, analyzed, then recreated synthetically with other chemicals. The synthetic chemicals are the ones that cause cool side effects like impotence and depression.

Perverse?

I think so.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:55 AM

You've got a point there, I guess. What about synthetic chemicals without any side effects (just hypothetically)?

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:59 AM

Bacon, I thought that depends on health impact unless related to the fat, over eating and diets the pigs were on. Also to state it has been proven many times in effect that attitudes of students as well, change over the quality of foods used in Schools.

The drugs I question over kind of ingredients used. I once went to buy some lemon with honey solution from a health shop for a cold. Do you know what all the products said in the ingredients, "lemon flavour" and "aspartame". None of the shops had proper "lemon with honey" solutions. I found it is simple just to make with tea.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:01 AM

*slaps his forehead* pinch.gif

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:15 AM

QUOTE (Gobbler @ Feb 21 2006, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You've got a point there, I guess. What about synthetic chemicals without any side effects (just hypothetically)?


I'm not sure there is such a thing. But even if there were no side effects, it would still be a moral issue, at least in my view.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:27 AM

The "natural" argument doesn't work because either everything we do ends up being natural (as we're a part of nature and have the ability to create and manipulate the world), or unnatural (we have no wings to fly, but we use planes). I know this is trite now, but I feel it's a good argument.

Defying death is what all life does from the moment it's born to the moment it dies, and if you'll beg my pardon, it's silly to think otherwise.

The commercialism of the drug industry is disgusting, I agree. Companies trying to sell their drug over someone elses' via the end consumer instead of the doctor who actually needs to prescribe the medicine. While some people see drugs as a cure all with no fuss just as they used to see tonic water and poutices and eating dung and whatever else people have done throughout the years, some people are responsible and intelligent. , some people actually have the illness that's diagnosed. Have you ever met someone who's a severe insomniac, or schitzophrenic, or has juvinile diabetes, or Parkinson's disease? You can't always blame everything on people not taking care of themselves.

Oh, wait, it's not ok to want to live if you're naturally predisposed to disease because genes aren't a good enough excuse to use "unnatural" treatments, either.

I applaud government funded healthcare. It's not perfect, since it's run by humans, but I don't think that you should be forced to die when you need medical treatment because someone had the audacity to put a monetary value on what your life is worth and you can't pay that. If it weren't for penicillin and running water, we'd all be dead at 35 if we were lucky.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:37 AM

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 21 2006, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The "natural" argument doesn't work because either everything we do ends up being natural (as we're a part of nature and have the ability to create and manipulate the world),


I disagree. Whey you start altering things from their natural state, they become artificial and therefore, unnatural.



QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 21 2006, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Defying death is what all life does from the moment it's born to the moment it dies, and if you'll beg my pardon, it's silly to think otherwise.


Survival is a natural instinct. I will give you that. Pumping synthetic toxins into ones bloodstream is perverse.

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Have you ever met someone who's a severe insomniac, or schitzophrenic, or has juvinile diabetes, or Parkinson's disease? You can't always blame everything on people not taking care of themselves.


I know - which is why I gave the argument of me still not being responsible for peoples faulty genes.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:37 AM

Well, then there's not much I can tell you without just being incendiary. I'll let someone else take you up on the unnatural = immoral debate.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 21 2006, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, wait, it's not ok to want to live if you're naturally predisposed to disease because genes aren't a good enough excuse to use "unnatural" treatments, either.

I applaud government funded healthcare. It's not perfect, since it's run by humans, but I don't think that you should be forced to die when you need medical treatment because someone had the audacity to put a monetary value on what your life is worth and you can't pay that. If it weren't for penicillin and running water, we'd all be dead at 35 if we were lucky.


Wanting to live is one thing - being full of a bunch of disgusting crap is another. There are other methods of healing. Methods that dont involve treating symptoms while creating more problems.

Forced to die? Death is natural cycle of life. Nobodys 'forcing you to die.' If your dying, its because your body is naturally no longer functioning properly. Its either environment or apart of your genetic make up. Its not my problem and I dont want to fund your frigging drug habit just cause your scared to die.


QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 21 2006, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it weren't for penicillin and running water, we'd all be dead at 35 if we were lucky.


People have been surviving for millions of years without penicillin and running water. I'm sure they didnt all die at 35.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:45 AM

Actually, the usually did.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:54 AM

From what I gather from the link, its refering mostly to densly populated areas where waste and disease are more prominent. I could be mistaken. And regardless, living longer doesn’t equate to living better.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 11:13 AM

But it equates to a higher possibility to live better.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 11:20 AM

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But it equates to a higher possibility to live better.


Possibly - but are you really living better if your all cracked out on drugs? I don’t think so.
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