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Posted 15 February 2006 - 08:07 AM

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Everyone remembers the exact moment when they realized that their Phanom Menace sandwich was filled with shit. For me, it was the scene on Tatooine where Qui-Gon is talking and Jar Jar is snatching fruit from the bowl with his tongue, eating like an insect. Annoyed, Qui-Gon reaches out and snatches his tongue out of the air and holds it in his fist while he talks. That was when I realized I was watching a cartoon...

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Posted 15 February 2006 - 09:24 AM

Enjoyed the Link. thanks, Gerhard.
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Posted 15 February 2006 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE (Gerhard @ Feb 15 2006, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As he gets his life together his songs sound more and more like remixes and covers of the old ones. He'll never do Bonnie & Clyde again.


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Posted 15 February 2006 - 03:26 PM

When Qui-GOn snatched Jar Jar tongue ?? As late as that? I realized this sad truth the moment Qui - Gon started lecutring Ewan Mc Gregor and he answered like a pensive English publicschool boy "But Master Yoda said we must be mindful of the future" I immediately knew what we were in for sick.gif
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Posted 15 February 2006 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ Feb 15 2006, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When Qui-GOn snatched Jar Jar tongue ?? As late as that? I realized this sad truth the moment Qui - Gon started lecutring Ewan Mc Gregor and he answered like a pensive English publicschool boy "But Master Yoda said we must be mindful of the future" I immediately knew what we were in for sick.gif

I can't remember when it was I realized that TPM was filled with shit - when I heard the voice of the female Threepio, when I saw the viceroy, when I saw those anorexic robots or... But Qui-Gon's speech certainly is a good place to start.
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:34 AM

I took a while to realize where the prequels were going, i did not dislike that much Phantom Menace, although i know find jar jar, the midclorians thing and Anakin building C3PO authentic insults to the star wars universe.

The first time realize that the prequels really suck was in clones. When I saw Hayden Cristhensen as Anakin (it just reminded me of a spoiled rich kid) I instantly thought he was badly cast.
Also the route Lucas took in having Anakin since episode II arrogant did not help. He was already vader. I found that badly done, since i never saw the "he was a good friend" line from Kenoby, neither the necessity Luke had to drive him back from the dark side other then because it was his father. I wanted a good ankin. I was expecting that. I never realized the smile Sebastian Shaw gave at the end of the Jedi add more meaning then 6 hours of movies with anakin's story, and even that was destroyed with the DVD's.

But my faith was ended by the time I saw Yoda fighting, it was the end of Star Wars for me. Particularly after watching the bonus disk on Clones, and finding out basically that Yoda was fighting because the technology allowed it. I knew then, that Lucas was never concerned with the story, he just was worried with what is CGI genius could do. Yoda fighting killed the great character set in Episode V, and it was not even needed to the story. Sith came next and with even more insults. But, by then, I did not care anymore.
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 04:56 PM

Well The Phantom Menace I forgave. I thought it was just the first film and things would kick off with the second film.

Then I realized that during both Clones and Sith that there was no story or character development-- The films were nothing but special effects advancement and money-makers for George Lucas.
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 07:32 PM

I think it was the words 'The greedy Trade Federation' that did it for me.

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With a prequel, all that imagination is devoted to devising ways to shoehorn the existing characters into the old story, to pretend they all knew each other back then. The universe gets smaller as we find out that every page of history contains the same dozen names. The fantastic, magical universe starts to seem like something some guy just sat down and wrote.

So, so true - in fact, I think I'll take this as my new sig. Ever since TPM, the SW universe has been getting smaller and smaller: it's supposed to be taking place over a galaxy with trillions of inhabitants, and yet the Prequels would have us believe that just about every person, droid and animal in the OT is somehow connected to the main characters. It doesn't seem to occur to Lucas that each new coincidence places an exponentially greater strain on the viewer's sense of disbelief. Vader being Luke's father was surprising and cool; Leia being his sister was a bit much, but bearable; but Greedo the bounty hunter being Anakin's childhood friend is way beyond what any sane person can be expected to accept.

I don't entirely agree that the Prequels were doomed from the start - I still maintain that they could have been far, far better than they actually were - but I do agree with pretty much everything else in the article. He has a good point about the special effects - everything in the PT looks impossibly new and clean and shiny. The ships, droids and vehicles in the OT looked real because they were real, unlike those in the PT, which all look like they've only just come off the production line.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 08:35 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Feb 16 2006, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it was the words 'The greedy Trade Federation' that did it for me.
So, so true - in fact, I think I'll take this as my new sig. Ever since TPM, the SW universe has been getting smaller and smaller: it's supposed to be taking place over a galaxy with trillions of inhabitants, and yet the Prequels would have us believe that just about every person, droid and animal in the OT is somehow connected to the main characters. It doesn't seem to occur to Lucas that each new coincidence places an exponentially greater strain on the viewer's sense of disbelief. Vader being Luke's father was surprising and cool; Leia being his sister was a bit much, but bearable; but Greedo the bounty hunter being Anakin's childhood friend is way beyond what any sane person can be expected to accept.

I don't entirely agree that the Prequels were doomed from the start - I still maintain that they could have been far, far better than they actually were - but I do agree with pretty much everything else in the article. He has a good point about the special effects - everything in the PT looks impossibly new and clean and shiny. The ships, droids and vehicles in the OT looked real because they were real, unlike those in the PT, which all look like they've only just come off the production line.

That's CGI for you - no matter how much you improve the texture, it'll never look as real as a model being filmed against a blue screen.
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:35 PM

Yep. The Stop-motion animation which originally brought Kong to life have gone the way of hand-drawn animation and the buggy whip. A little less lens flare next time, please?

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 10:32 PM

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Yep. The Stop-motion animation which originally brought Kong to life have gone the way of hand-drawn animation and the buggy whip. A little less lens flare next time, please?

The Greedy Trade Federation biggrin.gif

Greedy Trade Federation indeed.

Jar Jar Binks and Trade Federation crap aside, I definitely knew I was in over my head with TPM when I read that Pad-what's-her-name was going to marry Anakin despite being like 6 or 7 years older than him.
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 03:09 AM

Hmm, let's see, the opening crawl struck me as a bit boring, but I forged ahead. "I have a bad feeling about this" delivered by Ewan sounded a bit forced, but I didn't let it faze me too much. The point where I really started to cringe (and I did cringe) was "Ex-SQUEEZE me!" and Jar Jar immediately grated on me with his crap. From that point on everything he did just JUMPED in my face. His getting his tongue caught in he energy binder, his stepping in crap, arggh. I thought perhaps as the "Bombad General" he might finally redeem himself and turn into a more serious character. Wrong! He continued to play the cartoon buffoon. I honestly thought Lucas had been watching too many modern Disney flicks. By the end of the movie I hadn't forgiven him (Jar Jar), I was just glad his antics were over. I looked at my watch once during the Pod Race. It was cool to me then, but I realized "this is the second big action sequence of the movie, so there's only one left, I hope it's better than this!" When the saber fighting started I thought "finally this rocks" but wondered why it had taken so long to finally get to something really GOOD. When it cut away to the mediocre space battle and the gungan battle (which would have been cool had it not focused so much on Jar Jar's antics) I found myself wishing it would go back to the saber battle since it was honestly to me cooler than the battles in the classic trilogy as I remembered them.

Watching this movie, like so many other Star Wars openings I'd been to, people cheered during the "Star Wars" title but this time nobody clapped or cheered at the end. It was more like a stunned silence, as if to say, "You mean that was IT? We waited all these years for that? etc"

The second time in the theater watching TPM I was more relaxed, and not watching for such details, so I enjoyed it more, but I still found myself thinking "okay, even A New Hope at its most boring was better than this... except for the great saber duel this time."
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 04:54 AM

"When I realized." Tee hee, when there wasn't "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..." or even anything similar("An even longer time ago? Ok THAT would've been horrible as well) in the beginning.

When I realized the opening scroll was... aargh... translated into Finnish! *twitch* That meant it was a children's film and nothing else. Actually, not even a children's film, but a film for people with no sense and understanding of depth and no imagination and no class and no taste and no other desire than to see some quick, funny "entertainment", go home and forget about it. Why not dub it like an animated film while at it, for crying out loud? Sub-titles are OK but don't change the whole opening scroll, that destroyed everything. They didn't make the same mistake in the other 2 prequels... well at least not in Sith.

More seriously, some silly looking aliens and Tatooine were some giant leaps downhill, but I tried to think about the good parts, Jedi fights and the music when I stepped out of the theatre. And fooled myself for a long time, of course... and still do I guess.

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 09:27 AM

I'll have to agree with Albion; the opening crawl killed the movie. Those of you living in English-speaking countries, wouldn't notice this, but they translated the opening crawl to the main language of the country in question. And English can be a VERY powerful language, Norwegian cannot. Trust me, I know.
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 09:17 PM

How did the original film crawls translate? Is it just the prequels or is it both?
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