Attack Of The Clones Logic Did They Diminish The Jedis' Power to Perceive the Sith/Darkside?
#1
Posted 01 September 2006 - 06:21 PM
Could the clones, as an artificial, sentient lifeform, created en masse, whose development cycle is sped up have been the cause for the Jedi losing this ability? 250,000 beoings made from a similar template must register like a big reverberating echo through the Force. I hate to give Lucas that much credit.
And what of the cavalier way Obi Wan dismisses the death of one of the clone pilots in ROTS when they go on the attack on Grievous' ship? Anakin shows more concern! Obi Wan engages in playful banter with the Cody clones before going to Uutapu, where they stay aboard the cruiser to wait for his signal to engage and attack, seeming he has bonds with some of them in a friendly manner, and yet he dismisses their deaths in battle. Something's out of whack here, when you consider Yoda's speech to Luke in ESB about how the Force permeates through all living things (even the tree and the rock) and the treatment the clones get. Their use as cannon fodder in battle doesn't seem to effect the balance of the Force or raise more concern from the Jedi. Odd to say the least.
#2
Posted 01 September 2006 - 07:59 PM
As for being unable to use the Force so well, I think that that was just more pointless diologue to build drama and it left us asking more questions than having anything answered or resolved. I think that if in EP I, if Yoda and Mace Windu, or any Jedi for that matter could not sense that Palpatine was a Sith, then they all should be killed by him. The order for the Clone Army was just placed in or around the end of EP I. The beings on Kamino said that a Syfo Dias placed the order and we learned that Syfo Dias died ten years ago. Ten years ago was the events in EP I. The Jedi were begining to suck way before their time to suck came about in EP II.
George Lucas doesn't follow his own story. Nothing is consistent here.
#3
Posted 02 September 2006 - 04:52 AM
Seriously, though, the whole thing about "we're losing our power over the Force" could start an interesting debate as to which was the bigger copout in the entire PT - and the list is pretty damned long.
Did they forget to pay their Force bill, so that what was described in the OT as "an energy field generated by all living things" was shut off until the Jedi could make arrangements to pay the bill up? What about interest, late fees, and reactivation fees?
#4
Posted 02 September 2006 - 06:02 AM
I haven't played the game, but what exactly could they have done for him if he was already dead?
I still think Anakin's 'fall' (ha!) to the Dark Side has to be top of the list, but the 'diminishing Force' BS comes a close second.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#5
Posted 02 September 2006 - 11:12 AM
The armor that you wear in the game is different from standard clone trooper armor. It has a shields system, a sealing system (for space and poison gas), and some other things. So no, no one really dies for the time. You're only out of luck if all of you get "knocked out" at the same time then you have to restart the mission.
#6
Posted 02 September 2006 - 03:21 PM
I like this idea, it shall be forwarded to Lucas...
#7
Posted 04 October 2006 - 04:33 PM
the reason is because Darth Sidious and Count Dooku were so strong in the darkside,(just the two of them) that they clouded what the Jedi could and couldn't see.
That being said... Geogie ruins his own ideas.
Why did he have to bring science into a 'mystical religion' and try to explain everything. I know that i was content just completely and blindly following whatever he said about the force.
Now i think maybe one day we'll all be able to inject ourselfs with midi-chlorins and then everyone could be jedis. Wont we be happy then.
Duct tape is like the force....
There's a lightside, a darkside
and it holds everything together
There are too many people in the world...We need another plague -Dwight K. Shrute [The Office]
#9
Posted 05 October 2006 - 03:46 PM
the reason is because Darth Sidious and Count Dooku were so strong in the darkside,(just the two of them) that they clouded what the Jedi could and couldn't see.
Like most attempts to explain the PT, that only raises even more questions. A billion Jedi in the galaxy (well, thousands at least) and yet Sidious and Dooku alone are powerful enough to cancel all of them out? Bullshit. I can believe they're more powerful then the average Jedi, but 10,000 times more powerful? And wasn't Anakin supposed to be the strongest Force user in the galaxy?
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#10
Posted 07 October 2006 - 12:09 PM
Anakin may have been one of the stronger force users, but I don't he was ever a true Jedi. He was (probably) very bitter about being raised as a slave, and even before joining Palpatine he (probably) would sneak into Coruscant homes at night and ruthlessly slaughter defenseless families and babies. Can you blame him?
This post has been edited by Storm: 07 October 2006 - 12:17 PM
#11
Posted 17 October 2006 - 01:45 PM
Wow Storm!
That statement is wonderfully morbid. . .
and probably very true
Duct tape is like the force....
There's a lightside, a darkside
and it holds everything together
There are too many people in the world...We need another plague -Dwight K. Shrute [The Office]
#12
Posted 18 October 2006 - 01:35 AM
Who said anything about powers cancelling out other powers?
I think it's just the case that, over the thousand years or whatever it was where they were exiled and all thought to be dead, they developed powers that would help them survive. Otherwise, wouldn't the Jedi have been able to track them all down and kill them before TPM?
Doesn't a power that helps you hide, sneak about and lie seem like the perfect dark side trick?
#13
Posted 18 October 2006 - 01:46 AM
#14
Posted 18 October 2006 - 02:24 AM
It's still bullocks.
#15
Posted 19 October 2006 - 11:01 PM
Well, as Yoda tells Anakin a little while after the battle the Jedi are supposed to let things go. That attachment could eventually lead to the darkside.