[Dr Lecter]

Well, you have to think about it this way, maybe if the surface of earth was so desolate, that we couldn't surive they might evolve, keeping their DNA and ability to survive the extreme climate and they might one day become intelligent in an enviroment that we would struggle to even remain alive. I there is no reason why aliens might be asking the same question or us. Maybe millions of lightyears away they are having debates about if it is possible for us to really survive surrounded nitrogen and oxgen gas. Maybe in Alien worlds, things like water are deadly, who knows, its certainly a possiblity that the reason why these types of organisms survive is because the climate is no extreme enough for them...

[Deepsycher]

Well, you have to think about it this way, maybe if the surface of earth was so desolate, that we couldn't surive they might evolve, keeping their DNA and ability to survive the extreme climate and they might one day become intelligent in an enviroment that we would struggle to even remain alive. I there is no reason why aliens might be asking the same question or us. Maybe millions of lightyears away they are having debates about if it is possible for us to really survive surrounded nitrogen and oxgen gas. Maybe in Alien worlds, things like water are deadly, who knows, its certainly a possiblity that the reason why these types of organisms survive is because the climate is no extreme enough for them...

My guess was that lifeforms start off into an adaptable form compliant to most environments. Then eventually evolve into greater forms using the materials from that environment. At the cost of being bound to that place by limitations of the materials used.

[Dr Lecter]

Exactly, hence why hunter gatherer tribes can't tolerate milk because they never come in contact with it. Also why we have lost the anti-bodies to things like anthrax because our ancestors didn't need it so the ones that had adaptations better suited the enviroment were able to surive better than those with unneeded anti-bodies. It is quite liekly that if we went to an alien planet, we would catch something as minor as a cold to them, and die a horrific death. And vice versa of course.

[Slade]

What about human milk?

[Deepsycher]

Exactly, hence why hunter gatherer tribes can't tolerate milk because they never come in contact with it. Also why we have lost the anti-bodies to things like anthrax because our ancestors didn't need it so the ones that had adaptations better suited the enviroment were able to surive better than those with unneeded anti-bodies. It is quite liekly that if we went to an alien planet, we would catch something as minor as a cold to them, and die a horrific death. And vice versa of course.

Yes, what kind of milk?
I generally know that some people are allergic to cow's milk.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 14 January 2006 - 12:56 PM

[Dr Lecter]

Generally all kinds of non-human milk... Alot of Native Americans were severly lactose intolerant meaning that drinking milk was like drinking pure poison. I know it was aleast goats and cows, since the the Vikings accidentally killed some of them with with goats milk, and then the later Spanish/British/French/Dutch/Whichever ever other power majors came in contact with them... no doubt gave them cows milk.

This post has been edited by Dr Lecter: 14 January 2006 - 09:02 PM

[Deepsycher]

That could explain why an increasing amount of people are intolerant to cow's and goat's milk these days, if the genetics were passed on or lied dormant from over time. But there are still alternatives though.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 15 January 2006 - 11:54 AM

[Dr Lecter]

Generally lack of contact with a substance from, if future generations are born with this, they won't die, thus the gene continues because they if they survive long enough to reproduce then its clear that they can surive without it. That's why humans aren't imune to things like anthrax anymore, its been so long since we came in contact with it on a day to day basis, thus the gene has become very dilute in the human race as humans without the gene were able to survive without it. Therefore, if these extremephiles on alien planets evolved and lived, they could only get stronger because otherwise others in their species would overpower them. If you want to create an alien universe, you're probably best starting at the bacterial level, deciding on the main ideas: what the post abundant resources, and therefore which bacteria are mostly likely to flourish (earth obviously being the ones that use oxygen and other stuff thats lying about). After you do that, then its not difficult to think what enviroment they would be living in and what they might evolve to do in this enviroment. ie, spiders starting off with underground webs to catch insects, and as insects evolved to have wings to avoid spiders, spiders evolved to have webs in trees. If you think about it, life is a bit like bussiness... everytime somoene does something new, everyone else tries to either steal it or beat it.

[Deepsycher]

Generally lack of contact with a substance from, if future generations are born with this, they won't die, thus the gene continues because they if they survive long enough to reproduce then its clear that they can surive without it. That's why humans aren't imune to things like anthrax anymore, its been so long since we came in contact with it on a day to day basis, thus the gene has become very dilute in the human race as humans without the gene were able to survive without it. Therefore, if these extremephiles on alien planets evolved and lived, they could only get stronger because otherwise others in their species would overpower them. If you want to create an alien universe, you're probably best starting at the bacterial level, deciding on the main ideas: what the post abundant resources, and therefore which bacteria are mostly likely to flourish (earth obviously being the ones that use oxygen and other stuff thats lying about). After you do that, then its not difficult to think what enviroment they would be living in and what they might evolve to do in this enviroment. ie, spiders starting off with underground webs to catch insects, and as insects evolved to have wings to avoid spiders, spiders evolved to have webs in trees. If you think about it, life is a bit like bussiness... everytime somoene does something new, everyone else tries to either steal it or beat it.

I know like a cold the immune system attempts to find a cure and solution. Read that sometimes proteins can be developed wrongfully for the substance which makes the person worse off. I suppose one solution can be is for people to be born from half, tolerant and intolerant parents.

Yes, I have tried some experiments before on mould and opened bottles of juices, unfortunately I do not have the equipment to zoom in other than to note on changes. Weeks into the experiment of the milk developed into a non see through watery substance with small milk bits. I put rubbery tape over the bottle, as time went pass the fluid turned grey and the bottle started to squeeze due to the lack of air. The substance turned a bit orange and eventually see through with white solids on the bottom centre.

It would have been good to study the bacteria using microscopes, and high quality recordings to play back slowly. There must have been a lot of competition in that bottle. Also to add high and low frequency sound recorder to detect sounds from the bacteria may provide a use for study. This might be an interest for me to go into further at the right time.

I do see spiders in dark spaces but read that when these domestic species get hungry, they go to cannibalise a sleeping one by spinning a web around to pump digestive fluids before devouring, which is good for luring insects in the Summer time. Notice that they like to nest in three way corners.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 15 January 2006 - 05:04 PM

[Dr Lecter]

This topic keeps showing up as unread even though I've read that last post about 6 times. Grrrrr

[ion eon]

burn it down

[Slade]

You've done the impossible, ion eon; you've made pyromania fucking annoying instead of gleefully entertaining.

[Dr Lecter]

Well turn my piss to self-lighting gasoline, give me the craziest urge to urinate, and recieve no damage from burning. He's right!

[ion eon]

Thank you, that is what I was going for