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Posted 08 December 2005 - 08:30 PM

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"There are two groups of fans for my films: one group over 25, and the other under 25. The people in their 30s and 40s love the first three, and they are in control of the media and the web.
"The more recent ones are fantastically adored by people under 25 and the devotion of each group is about equal ... but one group can express themselves more loudly than the others.
"It will be interesting to see what happens in 10 years when the younger group has grown older."

George Lucas


firstly implies that people over 25, responsible for the eventual criticism to his recent work, don't like the movies because... they are old. (and surely less opened minded)
then implies all people under 25 love his recent (trash) work. I know some kids, and teenagers who by far prefer the OT.

Lucas must think very highly of his work for sure.



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Posted 08 December 2005 - 11:56 PM

hmmm...

man he's parranoid... the majority are on his side.

those in their 30s and 40s may controll the media but the target everything at people under 25.

sorry, that's no excuse...
it's more the case of 30-40 year olds are just more articulate and were raised on story/character driven movies.
under 25s, haven't been spanked, grew up with political correctness, reality TV, and other crap!
I thought most of my generation was stupid, but most people under 25 these days are barley registerable as vegetables.
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Posted 09 December 2005 - 09:15 AM

i love a good story. i love all six star wars. im 22.
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Posted 09 December 2005 - 10:25 AM

I'm 21 and I hate the prequels. And last time I checked, film critics did not rip the PT apart. Sure there was some bashing here and there...but ROTS did really well in critic circles. I love how Lucas is trying to victimize himself. Hey guy you have millions, we are the victims for sitting thru your crap!
It seems like everyone is over the nitpicking. Too bad.
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Posted 09 December 2005 - 12:57 PM

I'm 22, and I've hated the PT ever since I was 18, that should put be in the 'under 25' catagory of his. I consider myself to be open minded and I am willing to debate whether it is good or not and am open to convincing arguements.

At least I was before I renounced fanhood. Now I'm just struggling to try to post some place else on these forums other than the Star Wars place! tongue.gif
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:36 AM

WTF? I'm 14 and I prefer the OT instead of that horrible PT of course.
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:46 AM

QUOTE (barend @ Dec 8 2005, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
under 25s, haven't been spanked, grew up with political correctness, reality TV, and other crap!
I thought most of my generation was stupid, but most people under 25 these days are barley registerable as vegetables.


Hey, I know you said most, but don't be hatin'. And thank goodness I wasn't raised along with that trash you have cited. Just turned 19, and I will take the OT over basically anything else. From my experience, I've noticed that most people in general, are quite unintelligent. Now, one might inquire how do you measure intelligence? Just be around the person, in the same environment and such. You will be able to tell, whether its street smarts, book smarts, or something else.
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 07:28 PM

So the general concensus is that the intelligent types are the ones who can really appreciate the OT? a film about magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin?

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I thought most of my generation was stupid, but most people under 25 these days are barley registerable as vegetables.


and the newer kids are dumber, thats why they like the PT more, y'know, those films about magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin?

what has the OT become?!

edit

"It will be interesting to see what happens in 10 years when the younger group has grown older."

I agree with this.

This post has been edited by jariten: 10 December 2005 - 07:30 PM

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 08:44 PM

QUOTE (jariten @ Dec 11 2005, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So the general concensus is that the intelligent types are the ones who can really appreciate the OT? a film about magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin?
and the newer kids are dumber, thats why they like the PT more, y'know, those films about magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin?


So basically you are saying that all movies with magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin are all the same?

so movies about romance, with girls and boys falling in love there are no good ones or bad ones, they are all the same?

terror movies? with ghosts and sharks are all ranked the same away?

etc...

So for you it's a movie, there are no good movies or bad movies, it's a movie it's all the same?

Sorry, I failed to see your point!
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Gerhard @ Dec 10 2005, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So basically you are saying that all movies with magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin are all the same?

so movies about romance, with girls and boys falling in love there are no good ones or bad ones, they are all the same?

terror movies? with ghosts and sharks are all ranked the same away?

etc...

So for you it's a movie, there are no good movies or bad movies, it's a movie it's all the same?

Sorry, I failed to see your point!


Im not talking about all movies, just Star Wars. The argument that the reason the new generation might like the PT more because those films are somehow intellectually inferior to the OT is madness. Like saying the old mcdonalds burgers are better for you than the new ones.

The reason why I like that quote from Lucas, well the last bit anyway, is that I think theres a lot of truth in it. The only way to get an honest assesment of the PT is to ask someone whose opinion isnt mediated by nostalga, who didnt watch them with a constant eye to assess how they measure up to the OT. For that, we have to wait until this currant crop grows up, and more importantly, grows up to be journalists, before we can hope to figure it out.

most of that nostalga blight dictated (in part) how the PT has been treated in the media. there were so many glowing reviews of AotC in magazines who later attempted to pretend that those reviews didnt exist in their "hey, we hate those things too! look, were still cool!" end of the year write-ups, once they realised that bashing was "like, soooo right now dude!!!"
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Posted 11 December 2005 - 11:10 AM

QUOTE (jariten @ Dec 11 2005, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason why I like that quote from Lucas, well the last bit anyway, is that I think theres a lot of truth in it. The only way to get an honest assesment of the PT is to ask someone whose opinion isnt mediated by nostalga, who didnt watch them with a constant eye to assess how they measure up to the OT. For that, we have to wait until this currant crop grows up, and more importantly, grows up to be journalists, before we can hope to figure it out.


Well, I have to be honest here, i'm 32, i grow up with the OT, i played with the toys etc, so whatever Lucas would have bring us in the PT I would always prefer the OT, even if it was vastly superior. However I never expected the PT to be so bad. Because, let's face it, the PT movies are inferior to the OT movies, how much, I don't know. I think it's not even important, but you are right, a lot of people who grow with the OT, hate the new movies, and it's just because they did not felt the same away as when they saw the OT when they were kids.

I don't really care about the critics, I hate ROTS, worst of the PT lot for me, and it had nice reviews from the "Professionals"
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Posted 11 December 2005 - 04:27 PM

AotC didn't get slammed by web critics (until after the fact) because many of the top web-slammers were hand-picked and invited to the ranch to dress up like Jedi and play with lightsabers.

Other than it was such a wonderful love story which stirred the emotions and enraptured hearts. With tin men and all that.
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Posted 11 December 2005 - 05:02 PM

Jariten, I agree with you, but not with Lucas. So the bit where I agree with you agreeing with Lucas, I just think your point when you agree with him is better than the one he made.

STAR WARS was miles ahead of the adventure fantasies of its contemporaries, and it stood out and it changed the world.

I don't compare TPM with the OT, I compare it with THE MATRIX. TPM was weak, an anachronism, like the new James Bond films trying to compete with the genre they have inspired. For crappy over-the-top action, XXX was way better than most of the Pierce Brosnan Bond films; for high fantasy and adventure, even THE MUMMY kicked ass on TPM.

Yeah, the whole genre of modern fantasy films, from the great to the deplorable, owe their existence to STAR WARS, but they owe nothing to the prequel trilogy. And yes, the prequel triliogy was required to try a lot harder than the original films that inspired it, if it was going to be considered good at all. And no, it didn't. The stories of the prequel films are obsessed with drawing connections to the original trilogy, more than they are with establishing their own mythology. So the comparisons are NATURAL. Anyone who didn't compare the prequels with the OT would have to be someone who hadn't seen the OT.

Yes, I agree that many hold the prequels to an unnatural standard, and that they rest on nostalgia and as a result their critical edge is softened. It's too bad I think that you can't agree that many others don't do this at all, that they acknowledge that STAR WARS itself is flawed and silly, but that it had something going for it on its own that made it entertaining.

I only saw TPM, but I recall the introductions of R2D2 and C3P0. If anyone was leaning too heavily on nostalgia, it was Lucas himself. TPM and I dare say the prequel trilogy by analogy, cannot exist on its own. It is weighed down by nostalgia, by repeated lines, by character introductions, and even by repetitive storylines, to the point that it is like all the recent Bond films (apart from guilty-pleasure GOLDENEYE): try as they might, they will never surpass THE BOURNE IDENTITY. They have no originality.

This post has been edited by civilian_number_two: 12 December 2005 - 01:49 AM

"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).
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Posted 11 December 2005 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE (jariten @ Dec 10 2005, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So the general concensus is that the intelligent types are the ones who can really appreciate the OT? a film about magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin?


the OT (and Star Wars in general) is not about intelligence.

it's just a fun film, that pushes the world of coincidences a little far and occasionally ignors the laws of physics, to a degree mostly acceptable at the time.

you've completely chosen to take the most offensive interpretation of what i said.
Lucas suggested the age division, i mearley explained it.

older people are generally more experienced and intelligent, and will express themselves in a manner in which they will be heard and understood (clearly, i have failed there).

younger people who have been brought up in a society that, now more than ever, rewards stupidity and vilifies intelligence, are less likley to make a coherent point one way or the other and therefore their opinions are less likey to put up a strong argument against someone who has an additional 10-20 years of arguing under their belt.

i know intelligent people who like the PT, theyr'e the only people worth arguing about it to...
i'm not going to explain it to a ten year old... i'll let him find out for himself in ten years.

geeeze, i never said that SW was a pinacle of scholared craftsmanship, just a good yarn.
it wasn't made for the intelligent, it was made for EVERYONE. the PT was made strictly for kids.

so take a few steps back there...

QUOTE (jariten @ Dec 10 2005, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and the newer kids are dumber, thats why they like the PT more, y'know, those films about magicians in space and explosions and special effects and little robots made out of tin?


you said it not me... wink.gif

QUOTE (jariten @ Dec 10 2005, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what has the OT become?!


severly edited of all its goodness...
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Posted 12 December 2005 - 02:38 AM

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you've completely chosen to take the most offensive interpretation of what i said.


yeah you're right about that. I usually end up in that kind of mood during these chefelf back and forths. Anyway basically, there are some parts of the PT, some important parts that really require a certain amount of participation on the audiences part in terms of thinking through exactly whats going on and whos pulling whos strings. Nothing too spectacular, but for 3 kids films, fairly rare.

I'm ultimatly of the opinion that all of SW is aimed at the same group and, at its core, are just some pretty simple, fun ways to spend a couple of hours.

Civ- i've never really considered it (TPM) like that before. I liked the "the one relying too heavily on nostalga was Lucas" bit. Give me a minute to think about it...
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