[Darth Player]

Looking at the void between the PT and the OT, we can deduce that Jar Jar will make some kind of appearance either in the upcoming SW TV show or in a Special Special SPecial Edition of ANH of not the whole OT AGAIN. He appears in all three PT movies, if even for an instant, and GL has a fixation on the character, and maybe a temptation to try to prove the fan base wrong by having him turn into some noble creature that saves they day after all, forcing a reexamination of his role in the PT. So what is it about Jar Jar that particularly turned your stomach upon first sight/ For me it was his appearance which is jjust plain ugly (even the other Gungans on comparison look OK). He'snot easy on the eyes by any stretch of the imagination, and I don't believe this helped matters much to his cause.


As a separate point, its also odd that there appear to be no Gungan females, making one wonder how Boss Nass earned his title, especially since by appearance he seems to be from another species.....

[georgelucas4greedo]

As a separate point, its also odd that there appear to be no Gungan females, making one wonder how Boss Nass earned his title, especially since by appearance he seems to be from another species.....

The Gungans are hermaphadites...its canon!

Anyway, Jar Jar just plain sucked as a plot device...he did nothing to further the plot...except lead us to the unrealistic underworld of racially overtoned amphibians.

[Zatoichi]

maybe they reproduce assexually and evolve like Pokemon

[Darth Player]

The Gungans are hermaphadites...its canon!

How is it the that they primarily exhibit masculine traits is odd, like fighting and maintaining an army. There's a backstory to the breeding I'm glad I didn't see. And as for the symbiotic relationship they have with Padme's people, ick!

[diligent_d]

A Jar Jar Holiday Special? Oh, hell yes.

Hell yes.

Any day of the week and twice on Sunday, a show like that would go over better than a large, hearty meal of Bantha Surprise!














Not.

[KurganX]

Looking at the void between the PT and the OT, we can deduce that Jar Jar will make some kind of appearance either in the upcoming SW TV show or in a Special Special SPecial Edition of ANH of not the whole OT AGAIN. He appears in all three PT movies, if even for an instant, and GL has a fixation on the character, and maybe a temptation to try to prove the fan base wrong by having him turn into some noble creature that saves they day after all, forcing a reexamination of his role in the PT. So what is it about Jar Jar that particularly turned your stomach upon first sight/ For me it was his appearance which is jjust plain ugly (even the other Gungans on comparison look OK). He'snot easy on the eyes by any stretch of the imagination, and I don't believe this helped matters much to his cause.
As a separate point, its also odd that there appear to be no Gungan females, making one wonder how Boss Nass earned his title, especially since by appearance he seems to be from another species.....

What annoyed me about Jar Jar? His pidgin english dialect, his eye pitched voice, and slapstick humor. I mean Threepio was annoying and silly without having to step in crap or having animals break wind in his face. Everything about him was exaggerated. His lines like "exqueeze me" (Wayne's World, Saturday Night Live, circa 1989) really grated. Sure sometimes I could laugh at just how pathetic he was, and admire the patience of the people around him. Han would have told him to shut the #$@$# up or let Chewie collapse him like a balloon!

Boss Nass's long, hard to understand speeches were cringe worthy, as was his habit of shaking his fat CGI jowels to throw off torrents of spit, and yet he didn't have as much screentime as Jar Jar so I found him less offensive.

Basically when I first saw Jar Jar onscreen and heard him talk, I thought of Goofy, and then I thought of the awful tradition of Disney films ascribing a carricatured over-the-top sidekick to the straight-laced protaganist. It struck me as an insult and crutch that Lucas had thrown into the film to bolster the attention of little kids. I could be that as a parent, Lucas felt he had to re-evaluate the films and make them "more identifiable" to children by inserting child actors and child-like characters into the movies with juvenile humor. It just went unnecessary and overdone. He might as well have put in an alien that looked like Barney and have him sing a song and dance (came close to it with "Jedi Rocks" arggh).

Then there were all the Jamiacan stereotype jokes and innuendos people made, which sounded plausible, but Lucas and Ahmend Best and dozens of apologists deny it, so I don't use that one.

[ion eon]

He didn't articulate well and had with severe retardedness.


AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT LUCAS SAID?????

Lucas: "I thought he'd be a fun little character..."

GOD THAT MAN IS SCREWED UP!!!!!!!!!

[Zatoichi]

As for the idea that maybe Lucas wanted to make the films more appealing to children, if I remember correctly the OT did a fine job doing just that. Why rely on something that is extremely unneccesary.

[KurganX]

As for the idea that maybe Lucas wanted to make the films more appealing to children, if I remember correctly the OT did a fine job doing just that. Why rely on something that is extremely unneccesary.

I agree. I wanted to be Luke Skywalker when I was 5 and 6. I didn't need him to be my age to understand him or his character! The Ewoks weren't even that interesting to me, despite everyone saying they were the "hook" to get kids in. Maybe some people thought they were cuddly, I just treated them like any other background characters. I had three toy ewok figures, because they were in the movie, so it made sense to have those figures in my collection!

I'm guessing again, that when Lucas adopted his kids he felt all of a sudden that he understood children better and decided to craft his movies differently. Or perhaps after 20 years he'd forgotten what worked in the past and tried to reinvent himself needlessly by copying the Disney formula. Stuff like Barney the Teletubbies were popular, so there goes that general trend of dumbed down zaniness. He doesn't give kids enough credit.

That might also explain his wanting to censor the Imperial officers getting shot in ANH SE. Perhaps he felt that kids would be scared or scarred for life seeing "humans" killed. At least if they are inside armor or monster suites or inside space ships that blow up, it's less obvious to kids what's going on and he doesn't feel so bad about showing it.

And the "aimed at kids" thing explains well why we don't have any alien subtitled languages in Episode I, and like only one line (which isn't too important to figuring out what's going on) in Episode II. Kids who can't read (or can't read well enough to follow it) have an easier time with aliens who just talk funny (and yes, that all started with Yoda, but at least he kept his dignity... well mostly!). The Pod Racer announcer translates for us, etc. My dad read Greedo's lines to me in the theater seeing the re-release of Star Wars. Nobody complained!

It explains why we got a child size Boba Fett and younglings in Episode II to follow up child size little Annie and his street urchin friends in Episode I. We even got the Tusken kids, but Anakin gets to kill them, just like he gets to kill (all off camera) the Jedi kids in Episode III. Speaking of which...

Then we get PG-13 "Dark" ROTS and there goes the whole "it's just for kids" baloney finally. Oh well, at least he realized his mistake, even if he won't admit it publically...

Another impression I had about Jar Jar upon seeing him for the first time. I thought he looked like a Hadrosaur, minus the head crest, and given some floppy goofy ears. Actually if you watch the movie "The Guyver" the skinny wise-cracking black guy in the bad guy's posse turns into an alien that looks like an evil Jar Jar on crack & steroids with, IIRC, very similar features!

This post has been edited by KurganX: 29 November 2005 - 01:55 PM

[Zatoichi]

This calls for high fives all around

That was good

This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 29 November 2005 - 01:55 PM

[ion eon]

*gives high fives "all around"*

[Revan-47]

My first impression of jar jar? well, i have to admit, i thought he was funny. i was nine. but what stopped all that, was when some super sheltered friends of mine came over(they could only watch like G movies) and i showed them episode 1. they cracked up so bad at the jar jar scenes at the end. it made me sick. they were like "this is the funniest thing ive ever seen." heheh yah, ...right so I kind of figured that he is a super gay lamo character.

This post has been edited by Revan-47: 29 November 2005 - 10:07 PM

[TK421]

The Phantom Menace wasn't great to begin with, but it was put six feet under by that atrocious, hellsent, computer-generated nightmare Jar Jar Binks. He was more annoying than Gilbert Godfried, Richard Simmons and Peewee Herman put together.

To begin with, he didn't even come close to looking realistic. The animation wasn't that great and he was constantly doing things to remind us that he wasn't real. Then there was his fingernails-on-a-chalkboard high-pitched voice. Add in that horrible dialect and his habit of ranting and raving and I believe we have a candidate for the worst movie character of all time.

[Lord Aquaman]

The Phantom Menace wasn't great to begin with, but it was put six feet under by that atrocious, hellsent, computer-generated nightmare Jar Jar Binks. He was more annoying than Gilbert Godfried, Richard Simmons and Peewee Herman put together.

To begin with, he didn't even come close to looking realistic. The animation wasn't that great and he was constantly doing things to remind us that he wasn't real. Then there was his fingernails-on-a-chalkboard high-pitched voice. Add in that horrible dialect and his habit of ranting and raving and I believe we have a candidate for the worst movie character of all time.

You can say that again.

[miladyblue]

Oh, where to begin?

He is allegedly an adult, but acts like a total idiot. Drunk frat boys act more intelligent.

Acting like a "cosmic Stepin Fetchit" as one critic put it, did not help. He was like all of the bad racial jokes popular in the 1970s rolled into one.

A huge machine is bearing down on him, and he stands there, bleating like some terrible parody of a sheep, and makes no attempt to duck, or even step out of the way. Shouldn't adrenaline have kicked in and made him haul his sorry ass out of there?

Then, he takes them to the Gungan city, from whence he is in EXILE, no less, and gets arrested the moment he steps foot in there.

The mind boggles, what PEW-nishment did Boss Nass have in mind? Had it been Jar Jar's death by slow, agonizing torture (and I can see some Jar Jar haters who can use the animation software pulling it off) the movie would have made even more money.

How I long for the dignity and presence of Richard Simmons!