[Smashman]

The PT will always be in the OT's shadow- people will recognize and watch the OT before the PT. I think it really ruins the experience to watch the PT before the OT. I think the OT should really be seen first because it is A. better and B. it is the true heart and soul of the saga. You can take or leave the PT.

[jariten]

ＳＷ　ｗｏｒｋｓ　ｂｅｔｔｅｒ　ａｓ　６　films in some respects, as two seperate 'chunks' in others. I'm rewatching the OT now, and i'm seeing it with new eyes (so to speak).

It'll be a 6 film cycle for me. The meats in the middle, bookended by two dodgy episodes.

[Smashman]

I also hate how, if some people just want to forget the PT, that Lucas won't release the original versions either by themselves or with the Special Editions. If he is going to release the OT without the PT, then release the ORIGINAL versions. The versions that touched the world. He is changing and erasing history.

[barend]

I honestly think that the general public could care less. THey see them as star wars movies, nothing more or nothing less. They could gain the status the OT has, but i doubt it. umm, casual star wars fans, that watch the movies like once a year, will like them as well. Think of all the new york times reviews and all that. People like them.

i don't a single film has ever been made that didn't have at least 1 good review. and i don't think one film was ever made that EVERYONE hated.

by word of mouth or regular publication, popular opinion is rarely an adequate form of merit appraisal.

People like it. people like coke too, and that shit rots your teeth and is Hydrachloric acid to your insides...

[Smashman]

I also believe the OT and PT will NEVER be remembered as ONE cohesive saga, no matter how hard PT gushers and Lucas dicksuckers/apologists (same category, pretty much) try to make it as one. I think future generations will love the OT, but think of the PT as failures.

I think the OT by itself is the greatest story ever told. I think seeing the PT BEFORE the OT totally destroys the magic of the OT. Seeing the PT AFTER the OT, or not at all, is better.

I think the PT and OT will move on in opposite directions. I think the OT will remembered onward as classics, and will continue to bring joy and happiness to many. I think the PT will be forgotten just like New Coke.

This post has been edited by Smashman: 03 December 2005 - 04:25 PM

[jariten]

I also believe the OT and PT will NEVER be remembered as ONE cohesive saga, no matter how hard PT gushers and Lucas dicksuckers/apologists (same category, pretty much) try to make it as one. I think future generations will love the OT, but think of the PT as failures.

I think the OT by itself is the greatest story ever told. I think seeing the PT BEFORE the OT totally destroys the magic of the OT. Seeing the PT AFTER the OT, or not at all, is better.

I think the PT and OT will move on in opposite directions. I think the OT will remembered onward as classics, and will continue to bring joy and happiness to many. I think the PT will be forgotten just like New Coke.

Thanks for those insights! You really opened my eyes to the untapped wonders of the pre-pubescent Counter Strike mentality. You like to rationalise things by pretending that PT fans are in the minority, some weird fringe group of "dicksuckers" ( ). If that makes you feel better, fine. You'll find that reality might present a different view though.

Thanks again!

[Revan-47]

i don't think one film was ever made that EVERYONE hated.

one word. GIGLI

This post has been edited by Revan-47: 03 December 2005 - 10:44 PM

[Zatoichi]

jariten is right. As far as popular opinion goes (I suppose), we are in the minority. Maybe this is because as the years have gone by, we all keep getting subjected to worse and worse films. Out of what comes out these days, very little amounts to what I would dare call good. Nothing has blown me away besides LOTRs in years. Sticking to the general belief, almost no sequels are any good at all. I think that as time has gone by, Hollywood has figured that they could churn out any amount of crap, people will still go see it, and they will still make a profit. I've said this before, but I'll say it again; I'll take the PT over half the crap that comes out each year hands down, and it isn't just because it is Star Wars.

I think the problem that most people have with the PT is that they (like myself) expected far more from the trilogy of films. At one time I had thought Lucas to be one of the greatest directors of all time. Anything that had an actor from Star Wars in it, I wanted to see even if I knew it wasn't going to be good. There was so many years that could have been spent perfecting what elements that could have been worked on long before filming began. And finally, the OT stands as three of the greatest films of all time, and quite probably the greatest trilogy of all time. I don't care what anyone else thinks, but the PT should have outshone the OT by far, or at the very least equalled it in greatness. I don't need to care about all of the continuity details or any others, and I can still honestly say that the OT was far better (though, if you flat out ignore all of the discontinuities, the PT stands a bit closer to the OT).

Finally, I would hope that you would be reasonable polite to jariten or any other "gusher" that is willing to quite reasonably discuss these films. Would you rather have someone acting like a complete waste of a human being/pile of filth to deal with? I think not. I hope I don't come of as being to harsh.

[Smashman]

As greatly, greatly flawed as the PT are, they are still far better than most of what gets churned out of Hollywood- only because it is more original. I agree with you, Zatoichi.

[barend]

one word. GIGLI

thankyou... i was secretly hoping you would come up with at least one.

i was thinking GLITER, but i figured the dumb cow has enough airheads listening to her have at least 2 or 3 fans...

but im sure EVERYONE did actually hate that benifer affair.

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and jariten, the majority of the world ARE dicksuckers.... both literally, and generally as a term of abuse.

the leafblower, tyranical rule, ill-distribution of global and localized wealth, constant war, etc are not the products of an international society in which only two people okayed the things that led to the popularity of the passtimes above.

[Revan-47]

Gliter? never heard of it.

[barend]

you lucky, lucky, bastard!

[Zatoichi]

Augh! I remember seeing that. Why must you unlock that which my mind has stored away in a vain attempt to never recall such a thing. the horror. The Horror!