[Zatoichi]

For no apparent reason, yesterday I was browsing the Star wars databank. Reading the entries for a lot of Jedi Masters, I found that many of them were exceptions to the rule of being to old to train. Besides the fact that I already think it is crap, how is it that this happened plenty of times anyways and they even became Jedi Masters. Some even became Council Members. And guess what, ALL of the Jedi (well, just about all) die. Luke, who begins learning a thing or two from Obi-wan at 18, goes on to over throw the emperor. It is just so completely stupid it is unreal. They already knew that that wasn't what the line was going for, why on God's green Earth would anyone do something so so *head explodes*

[barend]

Maybe the "Too old To Train" line is Yoda thinking out loud that he's had it with training all these winners and wants to throw in the towel. What's the point of training one pimply faced apprentice after a long break if a cadre of hundreds including Younglings went down faster than you could say "CGI".

which "winners" are you talking about?

they're all dead!

[Despondent]

I don't know if it's sarcasm or merely in the tone of
"Fans today prefer the PT".

[Cobnat]

just got thinking...

this whole "too old" crap that keeps popping up (as, let's face, a poor excuse for a tie in and defeating attempt at consistency) is by far the most implausible notion.

let's look at the track record...

Luke Skywalker
commenced training: age 21 (aprox)
result: defeated Darth Vader/Anikan

Anikan Skywalker (AKA Darth Vader, Annie)
commenced training: age 11
result: defeated room of younglings

the Younglings
commenced training: age 4
result: wiped out.

well, i think the results speak for themselves there...

So what your saying is that if I start training as a Jedi at the age of 72 instead of 16, Ill become the most powerful entitiy in the galaxy?

[Sailor Abbey]

Luke, who begins learning a thing or two from Obi-wan at 18, goes on to over throw the emperor. It is just so completely stupid it is unreal. They already knew that that wasn't what the line was going for, why on God's green Earth would anyone do something so so *head explodes*

Back before I first started to watch the OT religiously (long before the PT came out) I used to think that Luke was some kind of super special human who inherently had some kind of extra affinity to the mystical forces of the universe that other Jedi must not have had, and that was why he was able to get a few weeks of training in and go put a whoopin on the Emperor.

Turns out he’s more like Scooby Do who just happens to be in the right place at the right time. Its kind of a freak accident that he ever gets as far as he does. I mean, his sword skills are shabby at best, he doesn’t know force absorb/reflect like the Jedi from the PT (you would have thought Yoda would have let him in on Palps’ lightening-from-his-fingers thing). He never learns how to do Jedi mind trick… as far as we know.

How is Luke supposed to go on to train the new Jedi in his new JedI Order?

And now that I think of it, I though Luke’s father wanted him to have that blue lightsaber. Isn’t that was crazy old Ben said to him in ANH?

*sigh* Its hopeless.

Incidentally, how many death threats do you think GL gets a day?

[Jejef Thgaron]

You're missing the point. Yoda didn't tell Qui-Gon that Anakin was too old because he was too old. He sensed a lot of fear in Anakin... possibly because he was created by a Sith Lord. Yoda won't tell Qui-Gon the true reasoning because Qui-Gon was on the verge of leaving the order anyways, based on the B.S. principles of the Council... just like Qui-Gon's Master, Dooku.

In ESB, Kenobi basically tells Yoda, "Hey, remember back when you said Anakin was too old? Won't that same kind of arrogance come back to bite us in the ass if we deny our last hope a little Jedi training?" Besides, Yoda told Kenobi he was too old but still trained him anyways.

This is just theory on my part, but what if Luke recieved more Force power after Kenobi and Yoda passed away... sort of like they were both giving him an additional boost. Just a thought.

[Sailor Abbey]

You're missing the point. Yoda didn't tell Qui-Gon that Anakin was too old because he was too old. He sensed a lot of fear in Anakin... possibly because he was created by a Sith Lord.

So Yoda was a liar.

[Gobbler]

And he was afraid. Hmmmmmm...

[Jejef Thgaron]

So Yoda was a liar.

I'm not saying he was a total liar, but keep this in mind:

Ben Kenobi: Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

I think Yoda really meant Anakin was old enough to understand that it hurts to lose somebody. Maybe given the situation (Anakin being taken from his mother at 9 or 10 years old to train as a Jedi Padawan) Yoda thought it was a bad idea. The Jedi usually trained their own kind from infancy. So, in a way... Anakin was too old. If Yoda had not sensed fear in him, he may have said, "Ok, no problem, Qui-Gon."

[diligent_d]

He never learns how to do Jedi mind trick… as far as we know

Didn't he use the Mind Trick on ol' Bib there in Jabba's Palace?

[Sailor Abbey]

Didn't he use the Mind Trick on ol' Bib there in Jabba's Palace?

You got me there.

[ion eon]

I think he did

[Zatoichi]

Yes, he did.

And Jejef, not to be mean or anything, but have you read the first page of this thread?

[Jejef Thgaron]

Yes, he did.

And Jejef, not to be mean or anything, but have you read the first page of this thread?

Zatoichi I have read the first page of this thread and two posts, in particular, sum it up very nicely. Paladin's and Ucaptious' posts express why Anakin and Luke were 'too old' to begin training.

Somehow Ucaptious' post was overlooked by the... high brow elitists... that claim, "Down with GL, down with the PT! This is our Star Wars, not GL's!" Not sure why... but then again, I'm sure he didn't have a valid point anyways.

[Zatoichi]

Than look again. I happened to respond to both of them myself (albiet to Paladin's in a silly way), so they weren't overlooked. I even had quoted Ucaptious. Seriously, it's not like it was hard to find or something.

This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 11 March 2006 - 11:01 AM